In fact, that was local to me and started in my city. They weren't fully WWW. They bought a WWW service called Sprynet and Earthlink eventually took that over. My BB service is Earthlink through Time Warner. That is, TW owns the cable system but my DNS comes from Earthlink. Sounds like our early experiences were similar. But if you've never had the pleasure of downloading Trumpet Winsock, paying for it and trying to get it to work, you've missed a very fun time. BTW, Trumpet Winsock was an Aussie offering. That explains why everything about it seemed upside down.