Cell phones forum: Poll: Do you think cell phone radiation exposure is harmful?

Just proves my point - I quote "Dr. Antony Basten of the Centenary Institute of Cancer Medi-cine and Cell Biology in Sydney, Australia, one of Repacholi's collaborators, also does not believe the results should prompt changes in phone habits. " For the time being, at least, I see no scientific reason to stop using my own mobile phone," he assert-ed in an April 30 statement (see also box on p.11).
Basten, like Repacholi, thinks the study should be repeated. Telstra does, too. Basten told Microwave Newsthat the next step would be to examine multiple exposure levels and mice prone to different types of cancer.
Dr. Hugh Bradlow, director of Telstra Research Labs, said that
further studies are needed "to independently extend the study...to
understand if the result has significance for human health." "
Ergo, nothing is proven except that mice get cancer.

Those of us that are Hams may realize the potential that exists more than the rest of the general population. If you work in the Radar industry you know full well what the down sides of radiation can be at certain frequencies. In WW II people would stand in front of the radar unit when on to warm up in the colder climates. Did they know they were slowly cooking themselves. Not intially. A little common sense in my book says use the cell phone sparengly and when possible use any adaptive device to remove the cell from your immediate ear if talking for more than a couple of minutes. I am convinced that in 15 or 20 years we will see those that live with a cell by their ear will have some degree of health issues that could well be irreversable. Why play Russian Roulette if common sense says there is a bullet in there some where.. Been an R.N. 38 years and caught nothing serious while at work because of using and following good safe protocals. Del

Using head sets.... even worse! Stop kidding yourselves.... or enjoy your deluded assumptions, all the same to me. I know I'm right, because I found, that which is true. If you can't understand that the truth is there to help you live a better life, then you might just be the type of person who is doomed to 'repeat history'!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMsT2MjI2Bs

This video has been OUT for a long time. Just because people are ignorant, doesn't mean they are correct in their ignorant assumptions. Seriously, it seems like everyone these days wants to placate their TV trained vanity and be 'right' even when they are flatly WRONG. You can dismiss reality at your peril, but YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING REALITY! Logic, leading to caution is NOT paranoia... it's practicality. Slagging something you don't understand yourself, is a cop out! The lazy man's way of blowing off a reasonably founded concern. It's like trying to warn someone that a train is approaching them, while they are walking on the train tracks, but they have their MP3 ear buds in and can't hear you... and like some people on this thread, some people prefer to stick their finger in their ears like zombies and then wonder why bad **** always happens to them. Have a good day.

...that at one time smoking was claimed to be good for you!

Why take the risk?

Is bluetooth any better?

I suspect the in ear speaker and core microphone are the least harmful of this "Devil's Invention"

Drinking water and breathing air can be detrimental to your health.

There are 2 branches of science being discussed here but not being separated. Physics and Biology are related only in that they are both science. The cell phone makers and sellers want to quote physicists because by the rules of physics there is no problem. Biologically there may or may not be a problem, it takes a long time to develop experiments that will produce consistent results (at least that is what the drug companies use as an excuse for the outrageous prices they charge for medicines). I'd say we should be extremely cautious with the use of cell phones as adults, and should think doubly hard before giving one to a child.
As to cigarettes being carcinogenic, so is gasoline (and especially most of the additives in it), and even with modern pollution control its products of combustion are not healthy for out lungs, so maybe we should outlaw the use of it!
Being born is the leading cause of death. Let's not hurry the process in any way!

I came across these 3 items while looking for something unrelated to this link and thought they would be interesting to others. I was unaware of the difference in allowed exposure levels for workers between the US and the rest of the world. The numbers are correct, thinking about Db's, area functions and the inverse-square relationships will give you a headache if you don't deal with them every day.
CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF PCS CELL PHONE SITE ANTENNAS The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE OVEN! Stay clear of antenna radiation when servicing your tower to avoid medical problems, including infertility.THE SAME APPLIES TO ITFS, MDS, MMDS, XM-RADIO & SIRIUS REPEATERS, and WIRELESS CABLE SITES. The Power Radiated from a PCS Antenna with only one transmitter operating, can legally be 1,640 watts. This is 328,000 times more Power than the maximum allowable leakage from a Microwave Oven in the U.S., and 1,640,000 times greater than allowed in Russia ( 0.001 watts). Russian workers are required to wear special goggles any time they are temporarily exposed to a microwave radiation level of 1 milliwatt per square centimeter.Under U.S. Federal guidelines set by the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), the maximum allowable leakage from a microwave oven [after the sale] is 5 milliwatts [or 5 thousandths of a watt] per square centimeter [or within the area the size of an aspirin tablet]. Russian scientists have focused their efforts on the effects of prolonged or repeated exposure to low levels of microwaves. Their studies show that long-term exposure to low levels of microwave energy could result in unpleasant effects that are not attributable to the thermal (heating) effect alone. So, the Russians and other European countries have set their own strict guidelines for microwave safety, concluding that Western safety standards are simply not safe. Dr John Goldsmith, M.D., M.P.H., Dept. of Epidemiology& Health Svs. Evaluation, Ben Gurion Univ., Israel (deceased):"With radio frequency the personnel of the US Embassy in Moscow, it wasn't clear why they (U.S.S.R.)decided to do this. And it wasn't until the ambassador came down with leukemia and then the second ambassador who replaced him later came down with leukemia, that serious attention was felt and blood samples were sent back to the U.S. and they were found to show increased frequency of DNA abnormalities,a failure to reproduce. The radio frequency sickness syndrome , which the Russians felt was one of the bases for their health protection guidelines -which were much lower than in the West - was reproduced in the Embassy staff,according to the criteria that was used in the survey. So one of the mysteries of the cold war - Why did the Russians irradiate the U.S. Embassy? - could be answered: Because they wanted to produce this interference with the ability to concentrate, the ability to think, the ability to sleep, which were aspects of the radio frequency sickness syndrome which they defined previously under experimental conditions. They succeeded not only in doing it, they succeeded in getting the leading U.S. epidemiologist to document it, and then to ignore it!" Author's Opinion: Specific energy Absorption Rate (SAR) is averaged over the entire body. You might then consider that looking into a LASER is OK. Why?? Because the SAR is low. But ionizing and non-ionizing radiation is like apples and oranges, but each is a form of radiation. See how data can be manipulated? Another overlooked but primary possible danger to Human Health is the "Packet Rate" that is used for Digital Communications, This is not just limited to Cell Phones. "Packet Rates" that fall in the INFRASOUND Range appear to be the most harmful, even at very low power levels. Try telling a person heaving his lunch overboard on a rough sea that Ultra Low Waves (Pun Intended), the rocking of the boat, doesn't affect health. Virtually all research mentions SAR, but to "heat" human tissue requires (external) molecular excitation. Simply stated, they are shoved around and into each other so fiercely, that they produce heat. Have you ever watched slices of sausage "arc" (light up) like a mini flashbulb [plasma] when the surface of one slice comes close or slightly in contact with another in a microwave oven??? This is a good example of the sausage molecularly breaking down to form a conductor (carbon) in an RF Field, which results in an arc. But what about elements of physics that just might see RF as a wave or as an electron, a kind of electrophoresis effect, when exposed to an RF Field, that damages the cell itself, or modifies the DNA's Open Read Frame??? Adapting Bohr's Slits(different skull entry points) and Bell's Theorem (Quantum Physics), makes the system more complex. Then there is the dielectric, conductivity, density, etc, properties of cells, which would result in a change in Wave Velocity with adjacent, dissimilar tissue. Further, Nucleic acid molecules are complex chains of varying length. The two main types of nucleic acids are DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), which carries the hereditary information from generation to generation, and RNA (ribonucleic acid), which delivers the instructions coded in this information to the cell's protein manufacturing sites. Some structures are in the form of a HELIX, a kind of inductor. Place an inductor in a changing magnetic field, and you have voltage and current peaks at the resonant frequency rungs of the DNA helix (slightly above 1 GHz), and possible unexpected mutations. What happens if the PHASE Angle of the wave is different from its surroundings (ie: 180 degrees out of phase)? Instant DNA / RNA short???? YOU CAN DO A SIMPLE "Radio Frequency Resonance" EXPERIMENT IN YOUR OWN HOME: 1) Take a 16 ounce microwave-safe cup, and fill it almost to the top with COLD water. 2) Take a clean EYEDROPPER, and put a small amount of COLD water in it from the cup.3) Take a Microwave-safe PLASTIC dish (poor conductor of heat) and place ONE DROP OF WATER FROM THE EYEDROPPER, IN THE CENTER OF THE PLATE.4) Carefully place the cup of cold water and the plate with the drop of water into your microwave oven.5) Turn your microwave oven on HIGH for 60Seconds.7) Using one of your DRY fingers, touch the drop of water. It's still COLD.8) Dry the same finger, and touch the water in the 16 ounce cup. It's WARM.Since people have different physical structures and genetic markers, diets (some rich in anti-inflammatories, minerals, vitamins and free radical quenchers, et.), all will be affected differently, just as all people don't get motion-sickness. Is the scientific community assuming that all cells are heated evenly by EMR Fields? I personally would ask the question= since you are dealing with a wave, there must be voltage and current nodes. What happens at these nodes when the phase of the wave varies in one molecular chain with another nearby chain? Would you not have some "HOT SPOTS"??? This might be caused by different tissue structures, multiple resonant chain lengths (resonant near or at the external RF), density, et, which might change the velocity of the wave or reflect it back. We would then have to factor in "standing waves." You just proved in the above experiment that the small mass of water was bombarded by the same microwaves in the same microwave oven as the larger mass of water. BUT THE SMALLER MASS WAS BARELY AFFECTED, SOLELY BECAUSE OF ITS SMALL FRACTIONAL WAVELENGTH. Try the same experiment in a 400 degree preheated convection oven, and the drop will almost fully evaporate and be quite hot, while the water in the cup is still cool. Do NOT touch the hot drop of water with your finger. The body has a great repair system, but what if it can only repair something that it is "trained to recognize"? Chromosomes are made up of a molecule called DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid. Stem cells and cancer cells are the only cells that fully replicate the telemere at the end of each chromosome, and thus live forever. Butsince the telemere is at the END, could it not also act as the sausage that touches another in a microwave oven?? Could this be a way of shortening life?? Literally= A SHORT In a high power EMR/EMP pulse, if the amplitude and/or frequency is within certain criteria and falls within the "T" Wave Cycle of the Human Heart (while the heart is "depolarizing"), Cardiac Arrest can occur. A prime example of this is a lightning strike that hits golfers on a golf course, yet they survive, but a man who is not struck, and is many yards away with his heart at the "T" Wave part of the cycle, goes into cardiac arrest. Getting right to the point, a proper study of RF/MW DOSE RESPONSE should factor in both CW and PULSED EMR (ElectroMagnetic Radiation), especially where the pulse falls within or slightly above the INFRASOUND Spectrum, which appears to be the most dangerous. 1) The RISE TIME and the PULSE WIDTH should be considered, not just equivalent sustained average power [Think of a shotgun going off. The noise averaged over a minute would be quite low, even though your eardrum was ruptured.] 2) Certain parts of a WAVELENGTH carry higher VOLTAGE, while others carry a higher CURRENT, so the radiating element (ANTENNA) in relation to the Human Body, must be carefully documented 3) If a "STANDING WAVE" condition exists in the Human Body, more damage might be done at a given point 4) Resonance of adult vs. child organs and cranial and other body structures must be factored in 5) The intake of food, water, herbs, plus mineral and vitamin supplements, especially free radical quenchers, should be taken into account, along with immune system history and genetic markers 6) The type and position of the radiating element (EIRP, proximity, polarity,phase of wave at entry points or exposure area, quarter wave and wave velocity through different organs/structures, chromosomes, frequency vs. penetration, etc.,, must all be included to evaluate "hot spots" in the brain or other organs.7) Lean body mass should also be taken into account 8) Thermal heating alone, should not be considered the main factor 9) Family genetics should be carefully factored. IF THE PRIOR GENERATION DIED FROM THE SAME MALADY AT THE SAME LOCATION, you must consider if this is a site that is free from airborne contaminants, radiation, buried toxins, contaminated streams, water supplies, well water used for drinking or bathing, etc. These variables must all be determined first, before addressing medical "conditions" caused by EMR/EMF. Our Sun has a magnetic field of about 50 gauss, takes 27 days to spin once on its axis, and changes its polarity every 11 years. Our Earth has a much weaker magnetic field, measuring only 0.6 gauss at the North Pole, and last reversed its polarity about 7,400,000 years ago. We can't presently change the Solar System, but we can pollute it enough to make it uninhabitable. It goes back to that old courtroom cliche - tell me which cigarette caused your lung cancer. Always remember to ask yourself the question: WHO STANDS TO GAIN FINANCIALLY? Remember the price for certain ulcer drugs? Remember the lone person who bucked the Medical Community and was laughed at when he presented a Paper that concluded that ulcers could be cured by antibiotics? Suddenly the price of those $100.00 a month ulcer medications dropped to $2.95. After BBC broke the news on a 2x suicide increase in power plant workers exposed to high magnetic fields, I would be cautious of reading a paper with my chair propped up against a 3-phase transformer for a 50kw transmitter. The article also brings up an association with depression and decreased Melatonin and Seratonin levels. -by LLoyd W. Phillips