LG DARE vs Iphone
by useyourbrain - 6/28/08 6:41 PM
Give me your opinion. main thing to remember 3g does not come close to EVDO REV A. which the Dare has
by: useyourbrain June 28, 2008 6:41 PM PDT
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I've had the Dare for about a week, but am going to switch to the iphone.
#1, and most important..Verizon's coverage in my area is abysmal. I had hoped that a newer phone might pull in the signal a bit better, but it doesn't. OTOH..AT&T has a tower within sight (1/2 mile) of my house, unlike Verizon, whose nearest towers are both over 3 miles away.
#2 The user interface on the Dare is infuriating. Too many times you have to tap more than once to get something to happen despite the haptic feedback telling you that your tap was detected. Especially annoying is the way it works on the web. Far too often while scrolling you end up clicking on a link on the page and getting sent somewhere you didn't want to go. Also, it is often very difficult to select the link you want without hitting the ones above or below it instead. And the responsiveness is still and issue since it often takes a multitude of taps before it actually responds. Worst is when trying to select a text input box. It takes a lot of tapping at it before you can get the keyboard to come up so that you can type something in.
The landscape/portrait rotation feature is very limited. It only works one way..by turning the phone to its left side, and only while using the web, the media player, and the picture viewer.
On the iphone you can turn the phone in any direction and view from any of its 4 sides at any time, not just in certain apps. Also, the interface on the iphone is way more responsive and I can type with far fewer errors on it despite the lack of haptic feedback. I admit that I'll miss the video capability and the better resolution camera on the Dare, but as a phone or a web browser the iphone has it beat due to AT&T's better signal in my area.
The MSRP of the iPhone 3G is a stab in the a*s when you think about it.
Here I'll list the weaknesses strengths of both competitors.
1. Touch Screen, easy navigation
2. More e-mail servers
3. GPS Services
4. Youtube, Myspace, and Facebook included with Web Browser (Mobile Version)
7. iPod/ iTune compatibility
8. Faster responding user interface
LG Dare- Strengths
1. Full QWERTY, easy typing (also has touch-screen, but not for typing)
2. Improved 3G network, like a 3G and Edge combined= EVDO
3. Full HTML Browser
5. Battery Power
6. Better Speakers
8. Expandable memory
9. Video Camera/Camera
10. MP3 Compatibility
11. USB Compatibility
I raise the LG Dare up, what do you think?
No lol You missed a few things
Stuff you Missed-
***APP STORE!!!!! Cannot be conveyed in words how big of a diff this makes
Iphone Social Networking
Push and Micro Sync
Two finger touch Technology
*Full Qwerty Keyboard/Virtual Keyboard-dunno y you missed that
*FULL BROWSER-dunno y you missed that either along with specfic made for Iphone OPTIONAL Mobile Pages
*USB Use- but WTF does that have to do with the price of socks?
An OS- LG does not have WMobile 6 or anything
Free Texting-through Aim to any phone
Plus the 8 things you said...
* Sexiness- The dare is ugly c'mon
.....hmmmmm whatever you said don't think you missed the Dare's good points
actually there is a FREE app to sync up outlook on the DARE, it's called BitPim and works just fine. There goes half of your argument
It is hard to really compare phones from incompatible networks/providers. The only way to truly compare would be two phones from the same provider. While I prefer any Windows Mobile phone, some folks prefer Symbion, Apple, Palm and other user interfaces. This is really difficult to have a fair comparison. We all have preferences/needs that differ dramatically from user to user.
I found this comparison on the internet. I don't remember the site. Therefore, lets do a quick no biased comparison on these two, shall we? I like the iPhone but there are some features that the Dare has in advantage.
iPhone 3G: 480 x 320 Touch Screen
LG Dare: 400 x 240 Touch Screen, with Tactile Feedback
iPhone 3G: 2M pixel
LG Dare: 3.2M pixel
Winner: LG Dare
iPhone 3G: No
LG Dare: 640480, 320240, 176144
Winner: LG Dare
iPhone 3G: Limited
LG Dare: Supports stereo headset, file transfer
Winner: LG Dare
iPhone 3G: Yes
LG Dare: No
Winner: iPhone 3G
iPhone 3G: A-GPS. Google Map. No turn by turn navigation.
LG Dare: A-GPS. Supports turn by turn navigation with real time traffic.
Winner: LG Dare
iPhone 3G: Built-in 8GB or 16GB
LG Dare: Internal 1GB. Supports external 8GB
iPhone 3G: iTune
LG Dare: VCAST, Rhapsidy
3rd Party Software
iPhone 3G: Apple AppStore
LG Dare: Supports BREW applications
iPhone 3G: $199 with 2 year contract
LG Dare: $199 with 2 year contract
iPhone 3G: AT&T Exclusive in US
LG Dare: Verizon Exclusive
Winner: LG Dare (Verizon has much better coverage)
Overall Winner: LG Dare
That iPhone v Dare comparison doesn't tell the whole story
You're missing a few key points, I'd say:
iPhone 3G supports multi-touch gestures; the Dare doesn't.
Apple's GPS support already provides geotagged photos and location-based apps from day one.
For music, the iPhone supports full-quality Internet streaming radio through native apps; you could argue this doesn't completely count, but Rhapsody is strictly optional on the Dare, too.
And the most important bit, which you probably already picked up on: an iPhone native app is generally more flexible and powerful than a BREW app, especially since iPhone apps supports full 3D, GPS, and the tilt sensor. Apple's implementation of shopping and downloading is also arguably more capable, since it's fairly easy to shop and install directly from the phone as well as to do the same from iTunes on a computer.
That iPhone v Dare comparison doesn't tell the whole story
by Zetaprime - 7/18/08 10:48 AM
Maybe Verizon has better coverage in some places, but it sure doesn't around here.
IPhone Vs. LG Dare
by esteban28 - 7/19/08 10:44 AM
In Reply to: That iPhone v Dare comparison doesn't tell the whole story by Zetaprime
Agree. Verizon might have some good coverage in some places. I can't get out of the contract because of my family plan. If I had a chance, I will definetely by the IPhone G3. -- LG Dare is way behind iPhone technology ....
I think it is better FOR ME. I want something very light that is a phone FIRST.."games are only useful when I am dropping some friends off at the pool". I read in one review that this phone is a "signal hound" TOTALLY TRUE..Second I need pop email which both handle...third..and HUGELY important to me is tethering. Iphone geeks claim to have all kinds of hacks etc but I cannot take a chance.
Whoever said this Dare is UGLY has lost all value in the forum as lacking any objectivity. A blind cynical pessimist would say this thing is sexy as hell...ok.you might think the iphone is sexier..as you might thing Giselle is sexier than some other super model..in the end..I would sleep with either LOL
Here is what I Love about my Dare.
Very small, light, and battery lasts forEVER.
Does all I need it to do
Here is what I don't like...
The apps say mobile email vs. contacts, texting, etc..do not all look the same. I love the HTC with MS Mobile 6 because it was a real o/s that everything conformed to making everything more intuitive..still it is fairly easy to use.
Does not appear to have a built in app for TASKS
Almost ZERO third party support
Problems I had.. Getting my old contacts into it. If you are not fairly technically astute, you are not going to be able to do it.
OVERALL..never had an iphone...if it had tethering I would have gotten it...But..now that I Have the Dare..I am stoked..love this fargin phone
I have had the iphone for about a week. I'm still learning how to navigate. Here is what I like so far:
1. Pretty easy to use. Some items take a while to remember how to work them, but it is getting easier with time and practice. My Verizon phone took me two weeks or more to finally get familiar with it.
This seems a little more straightforward.
2. nice features in general and convenient to have wherever I go. It is nice to have internet... My internet on Verizon was a joke, although I am sure they will eventually catchup in order to compete. I gave my phone to one son who is still on verizon... he is delighted!
3. keyboard is convenient but takes a while to get used to. My fingers don't always hit the right key.
4. The GPS feature it nice but I wish it talked as well so I don't have to look down at it when I am driving.
5. The email feature is also nice to have. Not all my email accounts worked smoothly when I tried them, but then I don't need to have all of them with me; I am rearranging my email boxes so I get less junk on the phone and only get the essential emails I need while I am out and about. My roadrunner accounts on my home network are not particularly received well thru the att network, but aol, mobileme work great.
6. The Ical is terrific especially when used in conjunction with mobileme so that the calendar is in sync
with other computers at home.
7. The app store is nice, although my first downloaded free app seemed to conflict with the software in that some other items did not work correctly. I had to redo the phone software.
8. Despite the complaints about the lower lens quality of the camera, I find it works great and haven't so far felt I needed a flash. The only difficulty is holding the phone still enough while capturing the photo.
9. The instant stock reports is also a very convenient feature.
What I don't like:
1. It is a little more bulky than most other cell phones. It doesn't fit into my phone holders like those that are attached to some purses. When I wear a dress or slacks with no pockets, and I don't have a purse with me, I have no where to put it. I did however devise a way to hang it around my neck when I am walking. I know there are arm bands available, and maybe I'll try one, but even that looks a little bulky. On the other hand it fits nicely in my husbands pants or shirt pocket. It is slightly more bulky to hold onto when using it as a phone.
2. The Batteries wear down really quickly, even with the Gps turned off. I have a set up in the car now where I can recharge it while traveling.
3. The monthly bill is a bit more costlier than I thought it would be. I am going to charge my two adult children for their portion of the bill. I am not sure if this will be more of a luxury than I want, but time will tell.
4. I am disappointed that this phone and ATT do not include voice dial. I assumed it would because I had it with Verizon as part of the deal. I bought a blue tooth earphone for driving, but I still have to manually dial a number. It is unsafe, to do that, and voice dial would take care of it. ATT wants another $4.99 a month (+ tax,fee I imagine) for that service, which I do believe should be included. I will be contacting ATT about this matter, to be sure. And the more people that do, the more likely that feature will be included in the package.
5. I must have a lot more interference in my house than I thought. The ATT bar signal is low, although I do get good reception on the phone. The wifi signal, if I use wifi, is very low. I probably don't need it but was told by the ATT that using wifi would speed things up a bit. NOT sure I have found it to be true.
I have to remind myself that although this device acts like a computer, it is not, and it is still a phone!!
One cannot cut and paste like on a computer, which I have to admit would be a nice feature to have.
Verizon contract is about up...Iphone on my list
I have waited for almost two years....I have just read about the LG Dare and was encouraged to look into it when I called Verizon that I would probably be leaving them. Things I liked on the video about it on a website are the memo pad almost like on my pda where i can write in script and it turns into print. I also liked that colorize feature for pictures, but I can fix stuff on my computer like that, I think. Some of the other advantages like better camera lens and flash are tempting. Things I will miss about my verizon phone LG-VX9800: the flash on the camera (but honestly I don't use it that much) and perhaps the better lens, but the pictures are SO small on my current phone I have to send them to my computer to really see them. And sending them has been a bit enigmatic these days. I used to send one at a time to my email. Lately some haven't been showing up, so I have to go to pix place and then I have to download them and the process I find somewhat confusing and/or time consuming. My friends who have the iphone can't say enough good things about it. Since I have had only apple computers since the first Mac, I prefer to continue support Apple now, besides I just bought a few shares of ATT, so I better support it!!I think both the Dare and Iphone will continue to improve over time. After my ATT contract ends I'll see where I am at the time and what new phones are out at the time. I switched to verizon from Cingular in the first place because cingular did not hit some places where I live, but I don't really need my phone and I imagine ATT is doing better now, locally. I do wish Apple had put in a flash, better lens, and a few others things, but overall I think the possibilities with the Iphone will continue to improve. I know that they will be upgrading software for video, for example.
LG Dare (VWZ Contract)
Well, Verizon network is pretty good but don't get the LG Dare. I have it and it's a nice small phone but it has alot of issues. I hope Verizon comes up with a software upgrade to fix the keys getting stuck and the background light. Forget about recieving a call on a Sunny day, you can't see the screen at all and you can't modify the background light. It's a cool phone but the "keys are killing us". On several occassions I called the wrong people and I must of hit 1000 times the end key and nothing... the stupid phone doesn't respond. Don't even get me started about scrolling up and down. Read some reviews and ask around before you buy the phone.
Re: LG Dare (VWZ Contract)
If you have to hit the end key a "1000 times', why don't you call VZW and see if you can get a replacement if it is that bad? It has to still be under warranty. I just bought the Dare and I don't have issues like that. Sometimes in the browser, when I am in full screen mode, it's hard to get the menu back, but that is it. I have not known a touch screen product yet that gets feedback right 100% of the time. I've also taken the dare out in the sun (live in Denver - bright sun all the time) and have no problems seeing it. The screen display on ANY phone in direct sun will not be as good as it is in the dark or artificial light.
If you have doubts, go to the store and check it out before you buy. Make your own opinion. I've never had a better carrier than VZW, so I wouldn't switch b/c of that. Their customer service is top notch (which is why I say call and see if you can get a replacement), and so far I really like all of the customization options and the size of the Dare - just my opinion.
LG Dare Keys Get Stuck
Actually, I'm on my sceond LG Dare phone and it has the same issue. It's the way the phone was design, you just have to get used to it when the keys don't respond...
How's this phone still working out for you? My girlfriend and I are looking at this phone and the HTC 6900. She want's to sync up Outlook for work.
Live in Denver also!
Is LG Dare's GPS Limited to Navigator?
Does anyone know if the Dare's GPS can be used outside of the VZNavigator monthly subscription?
What is EVDO REV A and what does it do?
EVDO (Evolution Data Only) is a form of 3G cellular data access; Revision A is a sequel to EVDO that improves both download and upload speeds without changing much of the same technology.
In short, it means faster Internet access on the phone. EVDO Rev A is roughly as fast as the HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) format used for 3G by AT&T.
3g Vs. Evdo
You guys are forgetting a VERY important issue...
Look at 3g coverage and look at EVDO coverage....
To mercenarygod, post deletion.
Your post was removed. Not by me, another Moderator beat me to it, but, I wold have done.
I don't know if the Forum Filters did a bad job of filtering out your bad language, or if you attempted to partially hide your language yourself, but that doesn't matter. The language you intended was clear and the use of swear words you typed and posted were also clearly visible.
Such language is not acceptable in these forums, and I advise you to moderate your choce of words in any future posts, or they too are likely to be deleted.
sorry! it was morning and i wasn't awake and I'm angry in the morning haha.
Is it possible you received a defective phone? I've only seen one negative review about the dare and was planning on getting one. I would be really disappointed if I had your experience!
Probably. I might exchange it for a new one.
Yes, it's possible to get a defective Dare
I purchased the Dare yesterday after 4 separate and irritating visits to several Verizon locations, Corporate and non corporate stores.
It seems as I will be returning for a 5th visit.
I hadn'r received a phone call for a full day, which is rare, so I dialed out - did not connect. Verizon was unable to authenticate the phone. However, I could call my cell phone and I could receive calls. I reset the phone and contacted Verizon to give some technical assistance. We auto programmed and hand programmed the phone. Same problem. I was told that the phone was defective and I should return it back to the corporate store from where I purchased the unit.
Wanda, my technician was about as nice and helful as anyone could possibly be. She was knowledgeable and pulled out every trick in the book to try to get it to work. She did indicate that it is a rarity to get a defective phone, but it does happen.
I'm thinking about switching phones and manufacturers. I love the phone but I'm turned off with having to go back again. Thinking about Flipshot. Less technology, but it's just a phone, right?!
This is such a late reply..BUT, I have had 4 defective DARES
In talks with LG, I have learned certain facts that Verizon doesn't particularly care to share. It is not just the Verizon-specific spftware applications such as V-CAST, My Account,etc. that were designed by Verizon engineers...ALL the software...EVERYTHING from the moment you activate the phone...the keypad, your contact list, the format of text messages...everything is Verizon created. LG created the DARE to hold the software that Verizon engineers requested. So, when a Tech at Verizon sympathizes and states that yes, the Recent Call function doesn't work as described, it's "because we're waiting for a software upgrade from LG", THIS IS NOT TRUE. Supervisors have advised me that many techs have NEVER seen a DARE and there are no "emulators" for them to use. So, they refer us to LG whose staff appears unhelpful because they cannot answer software issues. Your decision to consider the FLIPSHOT is fine. I am trying to like the DARE but the FLIPSHOT, which I had previously has many superior features including Speech-to-Text (you speak your text msgs and they appear as text), Whisper Mode, an excellent camera (althought it lacks the A990 and DARE's ability to capture a video frame as a photo). The FLIPSHOT has no QUERTY keypad and only very very limited URL capacity. BUT, when you say "its just a phone" you are on track. I wish I had waited 6 months for Verizon to work out the kinks in the DARE as they now have done in the VOYAGER which is about to be re-released in a Titanium, Rhapsody-capable model. Oh, well
I have an iPhone 3G right now, it is really amazing, and has so many wonderfull features. The only complaint I have is that I need a working phone. I get dropped calls and MANY missed calls (people keep calling, but it never rings on my end). Great "I", horrible "phone". Well, it is back to Verizon for me.
Called Verizon, and they said they dont know how to sync Outlook to Dare, passed the buck and said to call LG.
Called LG www.lgmobilephones.com 800.793.8896 and they said nope, and also passed the buck saying they have a third party company working on this named Data Pilot.
Called Data Pilot www.datapilot.com CSR=866.787.8336 Tech=800.282.3678 and they passed the buck, er, no wait, they said they expect to have the contact sync released on Aug. 15th, 2008 and they are also expecting (perhaps not at the same time) to sync up calender and other media too!
I would normally wait till that is released to get the Dare, but that would be after my 30 day allowed iphone return, so I gotta make the leap of faith. The Dare is incredible, a phone, that actually makes phone calls. *drools* Hope the friends I made from the hours of waiting at Apple store enjoy the apps while I am *talking* on the phone.
iphone slips out of your hand way to easy and iphones full keyboard is on half a screen. dars full keyboard is almost on a whole screen on dare u can take panorama pics. when u text on dare u start out on a nonfull keyboard but turn the phone sideways and it changes to a fullkeybord automatically
The iPhone 3G is quite comfortable in my hand; I don't know what's up with yours.
Also, the area of the keyboard only means so much. I can punch out text on the iPhone's keyboard about as fast as on a hardware keyboard, and probably just as quickly as on a Dare, too. About the only advantage is the landscape mode for all text, not just the web.
The Dare does take panorama photos, too, which is appreciated. But I wouldn't give up a better web browser and music player on the iPhone just for that.
iphone experiences for a couple weeks
Ok, I do like my Iphone, but it is NOT perfect. I found a small device in an online store which is a touch stylus for iphone.... I like it because it makes typing much easier as the stylus is much smaller than my fingers! The more I use the <<virtual>> keyboard on the Iphone, the easier it is becoming, but it assumes I want certain words when I don't and I don't know if I can turn that feature off to second guess my words. Sometimes I want to say <<its>> without the apostrophe but the keyboard always fills it in for me as <<it's.>>
I am quite worried about the battery... it does drain quickly when I use certain features. I have a charger set up in my car, so at least when I am out, I can keep it charged, but I do think these batteries should be replaceable much easier then sending it back for about $89.00.
Often when I am talking to someone, I accidentally touch my ear to the screen and then I end up calling someone else I didn't want to call or I put my current holder on hold. I find that really irritating.
I like mobile me, but it is a bit pricey, but my calendar on my computers are always up to date. That is a great feature. I got the AIM free app and that is kind of nice also.
I have a friend to bought the Iphone, and her husband bought a blackberry, She had reservations about the IPHONE as well. So she and her husband switched phones for a day, after which she went back to her IPHONE and decided she LOVES it now. She really hated the blackberry.
As an ipod, I'm a little disappointed because the iphone is after all much bigger at least bigger than my nano. Also, again, when I am listening to it, the battery seems to drain right before my eyes. That does NOT happen with my ipod!!! So I was going to not keep my ipod, but I think now I'll have to keep it around.
But yes, It's fun to have and I'll see if it is going to eat me out of house and home by the time my two years are up. My husband did return his IPHONE. It was too techy for him. He just wants a phone.