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Let's get brutal.

by R. Proffitt - 1/25/13 4:08 PM

In Reply to: Those HDTV Ratings on Amazon? by woodystemms

All the current models look to be 5 year designs. Almost no maker will give you more than a 1 to 2 year warranty and for the most part, if it breaks the spares situations can be the end of the set.

This is actually a repeat of what happened when the Color TV appeared decades ago. Eventually the makers had to counter the bad press with 5 to 8 year warranties on the CRT. (or tube).

So there it is, can you live with a 5 year device? A lot may last longer but will any maker or reviewer tell or back it up?

My current sore spot in the market is "plasma" and unexplained cracking. I will upset some by writing my bet is that some are just the usual oops but the reports are too many. And the cost to repair is too close to a new set.

--> My takeaway is this. Don't over invest.
Bob

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PS. The next wave.

by R. Proffitt - 1/25/13 4:50 PM

In Reply to: Let's get brutal. by R. Proffitt

It looks like the next wave of change will be the 4K HDTVs. The constant here is change. I can't repeat it often enough. Avoid over investing.

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Answer Best answer as chosen by user woodystemms

Let's toss this one up for consideration.

by R. Proffitt - 1/25/13 4:15 PM

In Reply to: Those HDTV Ratings on Amazon? by woodystemms

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-L55E50-55-Inch-LED-LCD/dp/B00752R9SW/

I won't go over all the points but I've seen IPS panels and they look good to me. The price point is under 1K so it's not way out there. You can ignore all the smart TV if you want and it can do 24P if you want to see that.

Let's see what others put up here.

And be sure to check out the best sellers link on that page. It's at
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172659/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_1_3_last

When I can't decide I see what's on the best sellers list.
Bob

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Only if you are shopping by price would I choose that LED

by Pepe7 - 1/26/13 9:05 AM

In Reply to: Let's toss this one up for consideration. by R. Proffitt

The higher priced LED models by Panny & Samsung blow the doors off of that one. It's popular based on price point alone, not by any sort of really useful real world PQ comparison.

FWIW, the higher priced Panny LEDs are the ones which handle 24p content properly.

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I listed it because of the better panel.

by R. Proffitt - 1/26/13 9:11 AM

In Reply to: Only if you are shopping by price would I choose that LED by Pepe7

Combine price and a better panel and you get popular.

Why wouldn't the 120Hz panel handle 24p properly? Can you detail what this proper handling is?
Bob

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There's more involved than 120Hz to get it right

by Pepe7 - 1/26/13 1:36 PM

In Reply to: I listed it because of the better panel. by R. Proffitt

To help avoid judder, etc., they employ some sort of intelligent frame creator in the higher end models to further smooth the content. There's also backlight scanning that helps the PQ too on the DT & WT LED models. Again, the price somewhat reflects the boost in image quality. Look at the lower end Samsung LEDs vs the higher rated/priced ones for similar situation.

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Ahh, that thing.

by R. Proffitt - 1/26/13 2:00 PM

In Reply to: There's more involved than 120Hz to get it right by Pepe7

So turning off judder and just showing the frame unadulterated is not proper?
Bob

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We are talking about doing it correctly, not just saying it

by Pepe7 - 1/27/13 2:20 PM

In Reply to: Ahh, that thing. by R. Proffitt

...'handles 24p'. If you spend some time around some of the various HDTV models/makes (not just Panny) you will understand what I mean. Every once and awhile the 24p content doesn't look quite right either on the high end HDTVs as well.

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I've seen too many.

by R. Proffitt - 1/27/13 9:38 PM

In Reply to: We are talking about doing it correctly, not just saying it by Pepe7

And while my idea of a correct display is an unadulterated frame I've run into folk that think the TVs should process the frames to create intermediate frames.

So I've shared my preference here. Is there some web site that shows what others want?
Bob

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I suppose you can lead a horse to the water hole, but...

by Pepe7 - 1/28/13 7:51 AM

In Reply to: I've seen too many. by R. Proffitt

...you can't make him drink .

Bob, I suggest actually testing this out personally. I was skeptical until I saw the difference of playback on multiple HDTV makes/models, including Sammy, Panny & LG. Basically, the lower end LED models aren't as good as the upper tier version. Right now, that's partially why the lower end plasmas can be a better value, depending on one's viewing situation. Let me phrase it to you another, I really *want* to like LED models in the same price range as much as I do plasma, but based on my own testing, I still don't. At least not yet

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Since I liked the no processing display.

by R. Proffitt - 1/28/13 9:13 AM

In Reply to: I suppose you can lead a horse to the water hole, but... by Pepe7

It looked almost identical on all the sets I tried it.

I'm guessing that you are comparing how it set does the other mode with scene interpolation and YES that will be all over the map.
Bob

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Answer Best answer as chosen by user woodystemms

You are looking too much for 'absolutes'

by Pepe7 - 1/26/13 9:08 AM

In Reply to: Those HDTV Ratings on Amazon? by woodystemms

What you will get is merely a fair sense of what's out there, and what could transpire after purchase. If it causes you any sort of anxiety, I would slow down the process and spend a couple months learning about the technologies involved, and also real world systems and what the end user should expect post-purchase, especially based on use with multiple types of inputs/sources. This way you end up with something that truly meets what you need, not based on very arbitrary reviews out in cyberspace.

Truth be told, for every Panny complaint you read on Amazon (example), there are one hundred folks who are quite satisfied with their purchase(s), but don't want to write about it. Ditto for some of the others. YMMV.

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