Appologies to other, but w_Tom again assumptions as fact ???
First: I offer my apologies to the other readers of this thread for the unpleasant turn it has taken.
w_Tom, I would have no problem agreeing with & even supporting you if you had made a statement like:
All circuits in a home, capable of carrying an electrical charge, should be properly earth grounded as your first line of defense against electrical surges (ie: from lightening), equipment problems that may cause shorts/power fluxuations, etc. This would include all wiring related to your electrical/power system, telephone, TV antennas, satellite dish equipment, cable TV, etc. Note: Although building codes, FCC regulations, etc., require certain standards be meet, it is always advisable to verify that they have been. If they have not been properly grounded (or you cannot verify their condition) you should then take other preventative measures such as having a licensed electrician service them or perhaps purchasing & installing power surge strips to try to protect sensitive and/or expensive equipment (and/or UPS devices if for instance saving data on a PC be desired should a power outage occur).
But, that is not at all what you have stated. Instead you made claims like you have free whole house protection provided by your tel-co.
For example, in you last post you stated:
FCC requires protectors on all subscriber lines as defined by law CFR47 part 68. Rules so that any equipment connected to the network will not adversely affect the network. Specific electrical parameters, including metallic and longitudinal voltages, are listed in Subpart D Section 302. 'Fact' proven in the real world.
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[The] IEEE Green Book entitled 'Static and Lightning Protection Grounding' says:
To which I will reply:
An infinite number of laws, regulations, standards, corporate policies, etc., may exist on paper; but that does NOT mean they are COMPLIED with.
That sir is the true, real world, commonly known fact! Quoting you: I assumed you knew this common fact!
Do you truly believe that just because a phone, answering machine, etc., has a sticker on the back that says Compiles with FCC regulation xxxx, and that each and every one produced has been inspected and tested to see if that that claim is true?
Can you, or anyone else, scientifically prove every device in my home (or even yours) complies at this very moment?
Do you truly believe that every homes phone system is wired to code/per all regulations?
If you said yes, have you included all the work sheds, barns, etc., where phones may have been added by amateurs without any tel-co, electrician, building inspectors help or knowledge?
Do you really think that cheap knock-off forgers in third world countries (or here in the USA) actually know or care what regulations exist (or even understand them for that matter)?
I could go on & on & on but the simple fact is:
Some electrical (telephone, cable TV, etc, etc.) equipment & wiring currently in place may fail to currently met standards, regulations, etc., and thus may expose the associated circuit(s) to total power losses, surges, brownouts, etc.
You also stated:
If you do not provide sufficient earthing, then even the telco installed 'whole house' protector is compromised. and Your only concern is the rare surge (maybe once every seven years) that might overwhelm protection in some (any) appliance.
I reply with a few of simple questions:
1) Duh, does this mean a loose wire or a lightening strike might compromise or overwhelm that there free FCC required tel-co protection you talked about? Youd might better keep your answer to a simple Yes or No response or this stupid good ol' boy might not understand it!
2) maybe once every seven years I was going to ask you 'show me the numbers' [source] youve based that statement on but, I on second thought, Ill assume you're extrapolating it from the IEEE standards you quoted ... which by the way are totally irrelevant if the installation does not meet their standards, but who cares because to you it is 'fact' and you're right and the rest of us are wrong.
3) I have several other questions I could ask and Id probably end by asking one like this one you asked of me: Does that question call you stupid because you also did not [show me the numbers, post the source of, believe nnn scientific reports, or ]? Which (after you have repeatedly chosen to ignore the difference between regulations in a book and real world equipment and more importantly installation & maintenance issues) is pretty much what Id call you if I wanted to be polite.
You have repeatedly accused me (and others) of conveniently ignoring your facts. You have accused me of being stupid & lying.
Meanwhile, I have used your own words to discredit your facts by pointing out that you have repeatedly extrapolated assumptions and presented them as fact by simply (choosing to?) ignoring common sense/knowledge ... ie: humans do not always do what they are told, sh*t happens.
Im sure you will now attempt to qualify or rephrase the tel-co statement so that it is just a regulation that exists and you never meant to imply that each homeowner doesnt have to worry because they have free whole house protection from surges via coming from the tel-co network.
Who knows which, if any, of the other facts you have stated are actually based purely on assumptions of 100% good faith compliance with laws, regulations and which of your facts ignore any possibility of changes in regulations over time, intentional fraud, or even simple human errors.
I have wasted enough time on you already an will not bother to challenge any of your other facts as it is futile as long as you refuse to get you head out of the sand and learn that expecting compliance with (FCC, IEEE, IRS, Banking, etc) regulations, standards and/or laws has been proven over & over to be fully superseded by the facts of reality ... People & companies make mistakes, cheat, lie, etc.
Finally (similar to the way you wraped one of your posting) Ill end with:
w_Tom. I do not expect to convince you of anything. You came with your mind entrenched which is why you do not recognize reality and continue to post assumptions, etc., as facts in what seems to be a manor intentionally demeaning to me (and other posters) when I was just trying to answer a question to the best of my ability in this forum thread!