by jostenmeat - 8/8/09 2:58 PM
In Reply to: That bluray player by jostenmeat
First off here are the links to the things I've read on some of these players:
Here is a review that says great things about the Pana:
You don't need the step up version of the 80 vs 60. The only real difference is the mch analog outputs, in case you didn't have an HDMI capable receiver. Same thing with Sony, 350 vs 550. You don't need these same connections on the 05 either. This "simple" bonus feature typically costs $100 to get.
As you can see, nearly every review you read is positive. The more informative ones are shootouts, using scientific data.
Here is user reviews on the BDP-05fd
User reviews? Puhleeze. Too many are fanboys of what they buy. I can find you positive reviews for nearly any AV product made, even Bose.
Here is pro reviews:
AFAIK, any bluray player worth its weight already does 4:2:2. It goes on to note that 720 can be selected, but not 480i, so it doesn't have that over the 3-generation-old Pana either. Not that I would ever watch SD again in my life. You link these reviews, you say they are positive, but you make no specific comparative analysis? Probably just a bunch of words you don't understand, or OTOH, you like to hear they say, "It's Great!". I can do that too. It's Great!
If you read these reviews you can see why I came to a pretty good conclusion that the BDP-05FD was a good player.
Uh, No?!? Did you actually even read the Ultimate AV mag review?
"The BDP-05FD has a lot going for it in the specs department, even though it's only BonusView complaint. For $300 less, the Panasonic DMP-BD50 conforms to BD-Live, it decodes both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, and it's more reliable for disc playback. However, it only sports 5.1 analog outputs. Any day now, I'm expecting to get the new Panasonic BD55, which has all of the above specifications and adds 7.1 analog outputs at an attractive price of $399.
I really wanted to like the Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD, but it was just too unreliable, from lip-sync issues to player lockups. It's impressive in the rack with its sturdy build quality and glossy black faade, but looks aren't everything. Future firmware upgrades should improve the shortcomings I've noted, but with a premium price of $800, the BDP-05FD should deliver a first-class experienceunfortunately, it doesn't with the current firmware."
Again, I'll repeat myself, once more, that the feature of mch analog outputs has zero bearing on you. And, BTW, the BD50 he favorably compares to your 05 is THREE generations old! The "new" 55 is two generations ago. The 60 is all you need. However, again, if Standard DVD playback plays a really, truly, great role in your life, I would look for one that can output at 480i. This way you have the option of adding outboard VP, whether a $600 DVDO, or a $4,500 Lumagen Radiance XD, or to simply let the 141 do it. It appears the 05 can't anyways, and I suspect Pana might not have changed that from the 30/50, but who knows.
Thanks for the info about Denon, it is just overpriced and doesn't perform any better than the Pana in PQ/AQ. That is pretty much what I got from you, does that add up?
Again, to repeat myself, the AQ has no bearing since the player in your setup is not doing the D/A conversion, the decoding, postprocessing, bass mgmt, etc. None of those things.
Again, if you are thinking of the flagship, as with the Oppo, many of the best features are wasted on you. That was the whole point of my wire, LCD, Runco rant: that more $$$ does not NECESSARILY mean better. Not so much to highlight that Denon specifically made a ripoff player. I actually suspect that Denon's players are very nice. If their FW support was poorer than Pana's, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. At all. Still, they are nice. If you want a nice looking brand name Denon player, by all means, please, I'm cool with that, but I am not cool that you would forgo a pro cal in order to do so.
Building a dream AV system is about two things: 1. Knowing what truly are the things that make the most impact for the dollar. 2. Balancing that budget; allocating correctly.
It is obvious that my opinion on the above differs very greatly from yours.
I checked again at top blu-ray player lists and you are, THE PANASONIC IS ALWAYS ON THERE, I guess it was my mistake. But on a lot of these so is Samsung and Pioneer.
Sigh*. OK, I give you a "top 10" plasma list. No 141, no 151, no 111, no 850u, no 800u, not even V series. But, hey, the LG is on there!
Do you even consider this a review? This is getting really silly.
Thanks for the help and information. Had I read different stuff on the Pio I would not doubt your opinion, check out the links I posted.