please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate...
by shawnlin - 1/22/07 6:28 PM
please specify technical reasons for the Vizio hate...
and is it hate...or disappointment?
by: shawnlin January 22, 2007 6:28 PM PST
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please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate...
by shawnlin - 1/22/07 6:28 PM
please specify technical reasons for the Vizio hate...
and is it hate...or disappointment?
I agree with your purchase decision
by KTate70 - 2/14/07 12:53 AM
In Reply to: I love my Vizio 47" LCD GV47L, 1080p by jmt1994
If all TVs were priced equally, sure I'd go for the Sony, but they're not. I've heard great things about Costco's warranty on electronics so why not purchase what looks great and costs less? I, too, am leaning toward the Vizio brand (through Costco) and am starting to lean toward LCD vs. plasma. I may be wrong in my thinking, but Costco sells a lot of TVs and they're not in the business of taking them back so I'm certain that they've done their homework and have only purchased electronics that can reasonably be expected to last.
Just Keep an eye out for good deals...
by joba_bear - 1/26/07 8:16 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I really think you should just keep an eye out for the specials that best buy and circuitcity have on a weekly basis. I was also looking at Olevia and Vizio because they were cheap but I decided to wait for a good deal and I got it.
I bought a 42 inch Samsung DLP 720p resolution at circuit city for $899. I'm glad I did and I think I got a good deal.
3 Vizeo's purchased all returned.
by skyking99 - 1/27/07 6:19 AM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I bought a 50" Vizeo Plasma from Sam's club. The first one lasted a week, and then would not turn on. I took it back and traded for another one. What a horrible picture this one had. Took it back after 2 weeks. Tried a third one, this lasted a couple of months and then quit working. I have the Dish Network vip622 receiver, with the HD package. All regular signals will not look as good on a plasma, but HD is really worth it. Always use a good HDMI cable. I now have a Panasonic 50"--TH50PX6U--Awesome so far. Only a few hundred dollars more.
Off-Brand TVs
by mlweekle - 2/13/07 9:24 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I personally have been burned more by the major brands than the lesser known brands. I like to look at all the specifications and then do a little research on the company. I do this on just about anything I buy. It is surprising how often I have discovered a little known brand is actually connected with one of the better-known brands. Or is from a company that is a large player in another market that requires the same kind of technical expertise.
I say never buy something just because of brand name recognition. You are almost certainly paying a large premium for the brand name.
re: community hot topic
by christine_s_00 - 2/13/07 9:24 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I don't own a Vizio (picture quality stinks) but I did purchase a 37" Polaroid 720p from Circuit City over the holidays last year. The picture quality is just amazing! I brought my father with me for a second opinion (and a good set of eyes!) and looked at the 42" Sony 1080p and 42" Samsung 1080p and picture quality was so/so. Maybe it could of been the feed in the store but it was very granny during the football game and saw boxes when the players moved. The Polaroid was crisp and clear with no boxes following the players. The downside of my Polaroid is the built in speakers. They suck point blank. It's like listening to mono. I hooked up my surround sound to it and all is well.
I only paid $929 but took out the 3 year warranty just in case the TV blows up without warning and I lost out on a good investment. So far, no problems with my TV.
Mostly happy with my 26" Polaroid
by msmith1953 - 2/14/07 6:31 AM
In Reply to: re: community hot topic by christine_s_00
I got the 26" Polaroid, last year. I'm happy with the picture quality.
There are a few issues, but they could be related to the cable box (Scientific Atlanta 8300HD) or TimeWarner's software.
1. HDMI from the cable box to DVI IN on the TV causes a green line at the top. Polaroid Tech nor TW tech know why. Tried several different cables...no change.
2. Using the same cable from my PS3 HDMI out to DVI TV IN is no problem.
3. When the TV is cool (off several hours) I have to turn it on and off 2 or 3 times before it actually starts and picture/input recognized.
4. The on screen menue has a unique feature that makes it not completely compatible with Logitec's Universal remote (really good remote).
I have the Circuit City 3 yr warranty. I'll start fussing in a year or so and maybe get some upgrades.
Here today, gone tomorrow.
by jdeere_man - 2/13/07 9:28 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
The decision to buy popular brands or no-name brands can be a tricky one. There are several factors you must consider. For a TV, one might be "how important is this tv?". Maybe if it's just going in the bedroom to watch on occasion you might consider cutting some cost and going budget price. If it's something you're going to watch several hours a day you better make sure you're going to be satisfied. I figure if youre looking at $1000 vs. $1200 dollars and it meant spending $200 more dollars to be satisfied I'd go with the better unit. You can go look at picture quality all day at a store, but that doesn't tell you everything. You have to consider potential longevity of different sets. If you consider your tv as a disposable item, sure budget sets may be your choice. Support is another issue. I assure you that if you run into a problem a major manufacturer will come near helping you out vs. a no-name company. I have a Sony LCD tv I bought a couple years ago and paid a pretty penny for, but have unquestionably been very satisfied with. I recently bought a small 15" off-brand lcd/dvd combo to put in a truck sleeper, but haven't had a chance to install or evaluate it, but for the $200 I paid for it I figure it can't be that bad, and it's not something I'm going to use every day. On another note, remote control compatibility is quite honestly another serious issue. Do you want to fumble around with 5 remotes, or go with some company that has the capability of successfully integrating remote functions into a single unit? I don't sell TVs and don't own stock in any companies. To cut cost doesn't always mean to cut quality. I agree with that, but it usually means off-brands. I'm not saying their bad, but I do believe you can run a higher risk. The final decision ultimately lies with the individual consumer to make. Ultimately I read reviews and let other people take the risks and rely heavily on others individuals opinions of different sets. My only concern with this approach is it doesnt always cover every base. It usually never covers longevity tests. But hey, with the costs of new units dropping every day and technology improving along the way, is it really worth it to invest a boat-load of money into something youll want to replace in a few years anyway? Im not sure yet. Ask me again in a few years.
my off-brand experience...
by JawsOGRE - 2/13/07 9:32 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
For me... I tried a Daytek LCD from Costco. The first one had a problem with the wiring on the backlight on 1/2 the set. It would turn itself off after about 2 min, and if turned off and then on would be ok for another 2 min or so... after 15 min... it wouldn't happen again.
So... I took it back (always a good reason to shop at Costco), and tried the exact same type of set (40" LCD), and that one worked PERFECTLY... for one month. That one had problems with the DVI input. Anything coming in through it would be some shade of red. I checked the cables, and the devices, but nope... it was the TV. Back went that one too.
I bought a Sharp from the Costco website then. That TV has been SOLID. I've owned it for a while now, and I don't know that I'd ever try another off-brand set. It will be Samsung's or Sharp's only for me from now on. My only complaint with the Sharp would be the lack of a VGA input. Sure, I have it hooked up to my computer with a DVI-HDMI cable, but the pixel mapping on most 1366 x 768 LCD's through HDMI leaves a LOT to be desired. Samsung for me next time.
J.
Sony WEGA
by redillon - 2/13/07 9:34 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I purchased a 55" Sony WEGA on the Internet and could not be happier with price, delivery and quality!
Never have seen an affordable Sony product.......ever. There is always another brand superior in all aspects that will be cheaper than a Sony. Just FYI...
Price was $1500 and a shipping charge of $200. Circuit City and Best Buy were selling it for above $2400.
There will always be people who are satisfied with Costco's $20 sneakers and others who will insist on paying $200 for the latest Reeboks. I chose the Vizio 42" LCD at Costco 1) I found the picture to be perfectly satisfactory. I saw little,if any difference between it and the Sony's and Pioneers that were next to it. 2) It cost considerably less than any other LCD set. 3) LCD's use substantially less electricity that plasmas. I attached a wattmeter to the set and found it uses 127 watts as compared to 450 for a similarly sized plasma.4) I liked the fact that I could hang it on the wall. 5) The idea of having to replace a $300 bulb in a DLP set on a regular basis bothered me.
I've had the set for over 4 months now. It has performed flawlessly.(The Superbowl was absolutely stunning on this set) It has given me absolutely no problems and I have more money in my pocket than those who insist on buying Sony, Pioneer or Reebok. They're buying a name and nothing more.
I love my Vizio 42"
by DUMBnEASY - 2/13/07 9:51 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I read CNET just before Thanksgiving and studied your recommendations. Seeing the Vizio plasma as a best buy for price and being all I could afford I went for it. I happened to be at COSTCO in Helena, MT. on grand opening day when they had a one-day special for $999. I am in awe of my Vizio. I just love it. I too, am on DISH and the HD channels just POP!
As for only being 768P instead of 1080. Pffff! Any clearer and I'd never be able to tell the difference anyway. I already feel like Lana Lang is sitting right beside me! ![]()
I've looked until my knees buckled and for the price I paid I know I got the best deal in town. It's a great feeling!!!
ANYONE LOOKING TO BY A NEW FLAT-PANEL TV: READ THIS!!!!!
by gamer1489 - 2/13/07 9:55 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
On the whole Plasma vs. LCD vs. DLP war: Plasma sucks becaus of it's life expectancy: 5 years. LCD and DLP are scheduled to have about 10 to 12 years of life, depending on how often you use them. As for LCD vs. DLP, I'd go with LCD because LCD is the leading medium. Look at your cell phone. What does the screen use? LCD. Sony's PSP? LCD. Apple's iPod? LCD. And so on. As for name brand vs. off brand, I'll go with the off brand. Specifically, Spectron IQ. They've recently changed names from Protron to Spectron IQ.
I got my Spectron IQ 32" from ShopNBC.com and I couldn't be happier. The picture beats Sony's LCD and most other off name brands such as Olevia. Though Sharp's Aquos has the best black among any LCD TVs. This TV came with 2 component inputs, 2 AV inputs, inputs for analog, and digital, TV, VGA input for computers, and an HDMI input. The TV I purchased also came with a DVD player that upconverts any DVD to hi-def formats; so there's no need for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. The whole set came to $850 and then I paid another $50 for a protection plan with ShopNBC so I'm totally covered for any malfunctions with either product for 2 years including normal wear and tear. I do believe that's a good deal in anyone's book.
My suggestion to anyone is to buy off brand, but if you do, go retail and buy through a website or physical store so you can tack on some sort of warranty.
Eh...I love my DLP...had one for the past two years...
by lanahan95 - 2/13/07 10:10 PM
In Reply to: ANYONE LOOKING TO BY A NEW FLAT-PANEL TV: READ THIS!!!!! by gamer1489
Samsung 50"...best bang for the buck. At the time, LCDs were just not bright enough and the pixels blew out WAY too often. I know things have changed...and I am looking forward to getting back into the game for shopping for another television to go into the study to replace the "second" tv. Be interested to know who is going to win the HD DVD war...HD-DVD or BluRay? That is more on my mind...
Also, who on EARTH is paying the big dollars to buy a 1080p tv? I mean really...cable will only be broadcasted in 480-720p...maybe...just maybe it might be broadcasted in 1080p in 15-20 years...maybe...
Shop NBC and JUNK Protron TV"S what till you have a prob!!
by sharonc00 - 2/14/07 7:06 AM
In Reply to: ANYONE LOOKING TO BY A NEW FLAT-PANEL TV: READ THIS!!!!! by gamer1489
I purchased a Protron dual tuner 32" TV from Shop NBC and also purchased 100.00 extended warranty. I took value pay which let me make 5 payments, right after last payment was made starting having issues, after it was on a while sounds started fading out, then a green line cane into the middle of the picture and had a buzzing noise even when it was shut off. You call Spectron (as they are known now, for obvious reasons) and you get someone who knows very little english and their answer to everything is just unplug it and reset it. There are no places that offer warranty, outside of California, so I have to send the TV to them for repairs, then they give you a refurb and yours was only 7 months old. DO NOT BUY THESE WHATSOEVER UNLESS YOU LEAVE ON THE WEST COAST!!! they will need work at some point. ShopNBC wasn't very helpful either and their warranty is also shipping to them no local... CRAP!!!!!! Sharon
Protron 32" TV BASE - WANTED
by bthole - 1/28/09 12:49 PM
In Reply to: Shop NBC and JUNK Protron TV"S what till you have a prob!! by sharonc00
If anyone out there bought this TV like I did, but kept their base, and now does not need it - please contact me as I would like to buy it
thank you
Your behind in your research...
by kkutz - 2/14/07 6:46 PM
In Reply to: ANYONE LOOKING TO BY A NEW FLAT-PANEL TV: READ THIS!!!!! by gamer1489
"Plasma sucks because of it's life expectancy: 5 years" Where are you getting your facts? Show me statics from a reliable source that backs up your statement for modern Plasma vs LCD vs DLP.
This link should help bring you up to speed there Scooter
by kkutz - 2/14/07 8:30 PM
In Reply to: ANYONE LOOKING TO BY A NEW FLAT-PANEL TV: READ THIS!!!!! by gamer1489
Specs may proove more important than Brand name
by LionsMike - 2/13/07 9:56 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I have not researched TVs, but I did do my homework before purchasing a flat panel monitor. Aquisition speed, contrast ratio, and resolution vary tremendously. If you are comparing brand names be sure that you are comparing units with at least similar specifications
Mike
Viewsonic
by elc - 2/14/07 12:11 PM
In Reply to: Specs may proove more important than Brand name by LionsMike
I bought a Viewsonic 37" for the basement a few months ago, primarily for the kids though I've watched it more than them. It's not the best quality, and I did not expect it to be, but for the basement and for half the price of the top brands I was happy to make a tradeoff.
Anyways there IS a wide variation in picture quality, IMO Samsung and Sony are by far the best quality LCD's (and yes they do share a panel manufacturing plant, so that makes sense). A lot of people say Sharp is in that top tier too, though from what I've seen I wouldn't agree.
Then I find among the brand names there is a second tier with companies like Sharp, Hitachi, LG etc that are definitely a step behind, but not bad.
Finally there is the third tier like the Digimates/Acers etc that make some pretty bad stuff.
A lot of the off brands have sets that belong in the 2nd tier based on quality, I think the Viewsonic is one of those.
Important things to keep in mind when looking at sets in the store is that a) often the signal quality they are getting is terrible, and HDTV will look bad with a bad signal because it reveals so much detail, and b) the sets in the stores are almost never setup properly, people are always playing with the settings, and sometimes even the factory settings are awful. That's the case with the Viewsonic, it's factory settings are unbelievably bad, and you have to go into the hidden service menu to fix them, but once you do I think the picture quality is very similar to the LG sets.
So anyways if you want the best PQ I think you have to go big name, namely IMO Samsung or Sony, but there are bargains among the off brands.
Olevia x Twice
by commortis - 2/13/07 9:56 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I bought my son a 26" Olevia LCD-HDTV for Xmas for 399. from CompUSAm for his Xbox 360. Spectacular picture, and sound, even. We were so impressed that we just bought a 32" Olevia LCD-HDTV from Circuit City for 599. For both these teevees, I bought warranties for nominal cash. I always buy a warranty for big-ticket electronics, because, well, they are electronics, and they cost me plenty of money. I am confident that I will be as satisfied with the 32" as we are with the 26".
Brand names mean precious little to me. I have spent double the cash more than once only to be bitten by the name-brand snake. Can anyone here say "Packard-Bell" or E-Machines" or "Gateway" or "Green Giant" or "Harmon-Kardon" or-- ahh, don't get me started. Read the specs, test-drive the product, and remember: Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! (Thanks for the reminder, shmody!
VIZIO IS GREAT
by iansudano - 2/13/07 10:03 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I had to replace TV's as a result of a fire and bought the VIZIO 42" Plasma with the HDTV TV Tuner included and love it so much when i saw the 50" also with the HDTV Tuner on a special at Costco, i got that and put the 42" in my bedroom.
Everyone who sees the picture is quite amazed. The surround sound feature is also great.
I love it and know of at very least 10 people who bought one as a result of seeing mine, none of us have had any problems and we all love them.
Go ahead and buy VIZIO without reservation
Which flat panel to buy.
by billydkidd - 2/13/07 10:07 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
Every day you wait all flat panel tvs will get cheaper but, if you want a qualified assessment check Consumer Reports. They are the best!
Don't do it!!!
by brbubba - 2/13/07 10:09 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I owned a Vizio for about 2 months, and I can say I won't ever buy one again. I was initially attracted by the price and the picture looked quite good in the store, so I jumped on it. First thing I noticed is that every component felt cheap. The remote was horrible, the TV frame felt like cheap plastic, the dang thing didn't have a swivel to rotate the TV around. Since the price was so good I looked past these shortcomings, until about a month into it the TV would randomly make a very loud white noise sound, which could only be resolved by powering it off and on again. This happened about 5 times over a few weeks.
Thankfully at the time Dell had a great deal and I got one of their TVs and took the Vizio back. Although I can't personally recommend Dell TVs now because their prices are so insanely high, I can tell you that once that TV was setup everything about it screamed quality while everything about the Vizio screamed made in China. And not only was the build quality better, but the picture ended up being better too, better saturation, no more hotspots. Even though it cost me a few hundred more I don't regret for an instant my decision to go with the Dell over the Vizio and I suggest you make room in your budget to get a name brand TV over the Vizio as well.
Couldn't you sum this up...
by lanahan95 - 2/13/07 10:17 PM
In Reply to: Don't do it!!! by brbubba
to just a bad egg? Lemon? While the offbrands have their faults...the brand names have just as many lemons... I remember being in the Best Buy store when the new Sony rear-projection LCDs were being put out on the floor and hooked up. I decided to wait around and watch them hook it up...I was anxious to see if they were any good. I am not a fan of Sony at all, but seeing a low cost version of a plasma was well sticking around to see. Anywho, long story short...the second they turned it on it hummed. Then two pixels blew out when they were still in blue screen (highly noticeable)! This all happened in less than 5 minutes of this thing being on! The humming NEVER stopped...they turned it on and off, never stopped. Finally, someone just worked up the courage to whack the side of it...it stopped humming...only to be replaced with a LOUD WHINING sound. They unplugged it from the wall and quickly took it off the floor to make sure no one else saw this...
There were two other guys watching this happen...and we all laughed when the blue shirts of the best buy guys were running the tv to the back of the store and out of site.
Dell TV
by larrythecomputerguy - 2/14/07 9:42 AM
In Reply to: Don't do it!!! by brbubba
...and where do you think your "Dell" was manufactured???
Offbrands not created equal
by harry01562 - 2/13/07 10:17 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
I recently shopped for a small TV for my den. Looked for a cheapie, and found a 20" flat screen Memorex for under $100.00. The picture quality is very good, has some nice touches, such as a complete set of control buttons on the top of the set, and ample connections. I had a problem with the set starting with a black screen, but I solved it by a close read of the directions. It now works as I would expect.
I did take the extended warranty, just to give myself some insurance, but for the price, it's an excellent little set. It was bought at KMart, on sale. Set, with extended warranty, came to less than normal retail of $120.
Off brands vs named brands... as I saw it.
by gilleegolf - 2/13/07 10:21 PM
In Reply to: please specify (technical) reasons for the Vizio hate... by shawnlin
Between August and November 2006 I spent many hours in COSTCO, VIDEO ONLY and Best Buy, watching and comparing LCD and plasma screens. I'd take notes on my perceptions and then go home, get on the net and read all available info/reviews about the brands. I finally narrowed it down to LCD instead of plasma and Sony and Mitsubishi as the best pictures, controls and quality. I wanted to be impressed with Vizio, Polaroid, Maxent and Westinghouse because they were less expensive but was just blown away by the picture quality in the Sony and Mitsubishi. I finally chose the 46" Sony V2500 when that dealer beat the Mitsubishi price by $300.00. Vizio's blacks looked muddy, Polaroid gave me eye fatigue, Maxent's primary colors looked washed out and Westinghouse was totally non-impressive and looked "cheap". I truly enjoy my Sony and have no regrets for not saving a few hundred more, had I talked myself into accepting inferior picture quality and unknown return rates/refurbs from any of those off-brand.
Polaroid LCD TV
by jfdonohue - 2/14/07 10:02 AM
In Reply to: Off brands vs named brands... as I saw it. by gilleegolf
I bought a small (7")under the kitchen cabinet Polaroid LCD TV for my wife for Christmas 2005. It never worked properly. The TV would shut down by itself sometimes would not come back on and the audio was terrible. I sent it back in exchange for a Sony. We have not had any problems with the Sony.
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