Home audio & video forum: 1080p/HDMI...the scam to end all scams!!!

HDMI is good because it's a digital video format. You take digital sources like DVD, games, etc., and you pump all that video information to digital screens without going to analog & back. As for copy-protection, I hate a lot of the stuff tht's been done lately in the name of DRM, but I don't see HDMI/HDCP as overstepping any bounds. Maybe I just haven't run into anything I can't do because of HDMI but think I should be able to do.

Now, let's get some facts on the table with HD formats. The FCC is responsible for carving up the available broadcasting bandwidth for TV, and when HDTV standards were formed they sized channels to fit 720-line progressive video or 1080-line interlaced video. Broadcast video is limited to 720p or 1080i, period.

Now look at the problem from a consumer point of view. Why not get a display that can show either format without throwing away video data? To display 1080i, you need a screen resolution of 1920x1080. To display 720p you need progressive scanning. Why not just have a display that does both? The answer is 1080p.

Now, while it is true that broadcast TV will not support 1080p because of bandwidth limitations, there are no such natural restrictions for other sources, including HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players, Sony's PS3, and even downloaded videos played from a computer source. If you're only ever going to watch HDTV from broadcast sources, then no, you don't need 1080p. But for the rest of us who want other forms of entertainment without compromising resolution, 1080p makes a lot of sense.

This whole argument seems pretty silly right now, because 1080p material and sources are nearly non-existent. Let's just leave it at, I *think* 1080p is going to be worthwhile and better than 1080i, and I'll judge with my eyeballs when the equipment is available to do so.

Cheers!
Speleo.

First off its nice to hear someone who is not buying into the hype. The fact is they are trying to sell a product that needs a lot more work before it is delivered to the public. 1080p must be able to display the resolution that is on the box.

I am the owner of a Mitsu 1080p set and a Sony upsampling DVD player and DirecTV H20 box. Do all of these things add up to a great HD experience? Yeah. Except for one thing.
I am usually quite thorough at checking through all the details of a big purchase, but I missed on the fact that the TV I bought won't accept 1080p inputs. How? Becasue last year this was not widely reported and the manufacturers were not saying a thing about it. That pisses me off a little bit, because I feel that these sets should be advertised as 'upconverting' or something else along those lines. This would be a more honest approach.
I would like to make clear that on HD channels broadcast at 1080i, this things looks ridiculous, just so good. And DVDs through the Sony look just as good as the HD channels, maybe they lose the smallest bit of detail, but still very good. So overall, it's pretty cool- just the input thing still rubs me the wrong way.
Finally, as to no broadcast 1080p- who cares aout bradcast 1080p? Does anybody seriously pull their programming off the air? I have Satellite and most everybody I know has a dish or a cable going into their home. I don't think 720p and 1080i are the end of the line for HDTV transmissions, there is just too much bandwidth available over fiber. Who knows where the future will take us.

Yes, some of it I do. WTTW in Chicago has great OTA HD. They have programs you can NOT get anywhere else at this time. NBCs HD coverage of the Olympics is very good.
ANY interlaced video can be turned in a progressive by using a frame buffer, this stores the image unit all scan lines are recived and then outputs them progessively. A 1080i/60 would become 1080p/30 after it's deinterlaced.
Toshiba had a 32" crt that would do this in the mid '80s.
The only applaction for 1080p so far that I have seen is for HD-DVD and this would be 1080p/24.
"just too much bandwidth available over fiber."
So far I don't know anyone that has a direct firber connection to thier house. Dish has bandwidth problems, thier new recivers will decode MPG4, which requires less bandwidth. All HD requires a large bandwidth, 1080p requires twice the bandwidth of 1080i. john

They do work. I recently bought an LCD TV for my wife and hooked up the S-cable provided by my satellite tv provider. The picture was fair, but seemed washed out and out of focus. I installed an HDMI cable that I had on my other tv and the picture quality dramatically improved. I know that many of the HDMI cable manufacturers are way over pricing them, but a reasonably priced cable will improve your digital picture.

Nobody transmit 1080P the best is 1080I maybe!!
We as consumers are being RIPPED OFF by the TV Makers.
It is ONLY available on DVD's.
Wake up consumer your being sold a signal that NOBODY can transmit!

720p seems to be the NORM and thats CRAP! as 1080P is the best.
No single lines Clearer TV Clearer and more TRU HIGH defininition.

DO NOT BUY ANY TV THAT SAYS 1080P until they the broadcasting companies transmit 1080P.

Stop this SCAM on the public!!!!

I want what I pay for and is ADVERTISED, Daddy!!!

It may SOUND childish to you,DADDY, but I want what is advertised on my Cable Channels, if you do not.

720P IS NOT 1080P , you must wear colored glassess !!

1080P is far superioir than 720P , its got 25% MORE definition.

Thats what I want and have and pay for, from ALL TV Channels that broadcast in HD.

I am the consumer and I have the right to demand they do, as I pay for it!

Tell the people that they WONT GET 1080P before buying a TV on BROADCAST CHANNELS and it is ONLY avaiable on DVD"S!!!!! .

Truth in ADVERTISING is needed and NOT to mislead the public!!!!

That's what I was wondering too

cheers

who thinks that a cell phone signal can always travel through thick walls too??)

Who the heck do you think you are!'

If you continue to insult my intelligence then DO IT somewhere else not here.

Facts are spoken here not rhetoric.

I do not care what you WRITE, its just garbage anyway!!

What I want is that TV channels in HD transmit 1080P.
The other channels that are not in HD, they can do what they want.
I pay EXTRA for HD and want what I pay for, and that is 1080P !!!!!!!

So stick this in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

Stop attacking me personnaly.
Stay on the subject !
The TV Networks,TV suppliers and TV makers are misleading the public by advertising heavily 1080P which is NOT available.
This should stop as it is Misleading advertising.

The TV Networks,TV suppliers and TV makers are misleading the public by advertising heavily 1080P which is NOT available.

This should stop as it is Misleading advertising

READ IT AGAIN!!!!!

BLIND AS A BAT!!!

Please provide a link to what you are asserting. On top of that, you could use some refreshers on what's going on in the industry of late.

Understand, some of use slice and dice these topics for a living behind the scenes (and in several languages). If you want to believe it's your way or the highway', be our guest. We have provided evidence otherwise. I've cut and pasted some particulars regarding HD in general from the useful link Bob supplied. Here you go-

---------------------
In the last couple of years, HDTVs with 1080p native resolution have taken over the market at nearly every price and size point. But as we've been saying all along, once you get to high-definition, the difference between resolutions becomes much more difficult to appreciate. We've done numerous side-by-side tests between two same-size HDTVs, one with 1080p resolution and another with lower resolution, and every time it's been almost impossible to see the difference with regular program material, especially when that material is moving. The difference becomes even more difficult to see at smaller screen sizes or farther seating distances--say, more than 1.5 times the diagonal measurement of the screen. For example, to see the benefits of stationary 1080p content on a 50-inch screen, you'll generally need to sit about 6.5 feet or closer. Few viewers want to sit that close, especially when low-quality content seen at that distance (remember the "garbage" maxim?) looks so bad. The main visible benefit of 1080p native resolution comes when the display is asked to show computer sources. With a PC set to output 1080p resolution and a 1080p display that can accept it, computer desktops and text generally look superb, and quite a bit better than when displayed on a TV with lower native resolution. But for movies, games, and other standard video material, the benefits of 1080p are negligible unless you're sitting quite close. That doesn't matter much anymore though. 1080p native resolution is so common among HDTVs, and has so little impact, that you shouldn't even consider it as a factor in your purchasing decision. As we mentioned at the top, factors like contrast and color are more important to image quality, and unfortunately, you can't depend on a specification sheet for an accurate representation of those factors.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe when the rose colored glasses come off it could be opened again. Sheesh.

The definition of what is "HD"; HD is anything 720p and above.