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by: web1tech December 13, 2012 10:35 AM PST

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Camera for Live Streaming

by web1tech - 12/13/12 10:35 AM

Currenlty need to replace my old JVC SD camcorder.
Looking at the Canon Vixia HV40
Reason: HD, Firewire IEEE394 output for streaming, price

I notice that the new cameras do not have Firewire anymore, even the newer computers (Macs) don't have Firewire. I understand USB3 suppose to take its place in the future.

In the mean time how would one be able to capture live video on the new camcorders, would you use the USB?

Is there a camcorder ($600-$700) that can stream video that anyone would recommend.


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I missed it.

by R. Proffitt Moderator - 12/13/12 10:44 AM

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http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/camcorders/consumer_camcorders/vixia_hv40#Specifications does not list firewire or ieee.

USB is usually dead as no one has the drivers or apps. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/final-cut-suite/441288-hd-digital-cameras-firewire.html REPEATS the reasons why so you wonder why folk try it.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO1.1 didn't find firewire so it looks like you need to update the entire system to something current.
Bob


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The Canon HV40 does have a IEEE1394 compliant DV port

by boya84 - 12/13/12 12:16 PM

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No different from other miniDV tape based camcorders.

Manual:
http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/0/0300002190/01/hv40-nim-en.pdf
Page 18, item 13.
Page 71, 72, 73, 80, 81, 107.


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(NT) Cool. Couldn't find it on the specs page.

by R. Proffitt Moderator - 12/13/12 1:15 PM

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by web1tech - 12/13/12 1:22 PM

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The reason I mentioned the HV40 is from this link:
http://steveonjava.com/live-video-streaming-guide-%E2%80%93-part-2-hardware/

I really prefer a flash memory camera over at tape myself.
A video guy I know mentioned that the best route is to spend $$ for a professional camera.

OK more research on my part required.


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Define "professional camera"

by boya84 - 12/13/12 5:00 PM

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My definition includes a
lens diameter of 70mm or larger;
a 3CCD or 3CMO imaging chip 1/3" or larger.
When you get these all the other stuff (manual zoom and separate manual focus ring on the lens barrel, manual audio control on the outside of the camcorder, etc)...

The HV40 is a great DV/HDV camcorder. I don't think you'll find any flash memory camcorders with a firewire connection until you get to the Panasonic AG-HVX200. As for miniDV tape based camcorders, the prosumer Sony HDR-FX7 or HDR-FX1000, and pro entries (Sony HVR-A1, HVR-HD1000, HVR-Z5), Canon XHA1 and a few others can all do what you want - and if you really want flash memory, just add an external recording device (Sony and FireStore).

I prefer low compression HDV (or DVCProHD or HDCAM) and an affordable long-term video archive method that flash memory does not provide.


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hmmmm.....

by boya84 - 12/13/12 12:07 PM

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The current MacBook Pro and iMacs do not have a firewire port but use Thunderbolt. Apple makes an adapter
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD464ZM/A/apple-thunderbolt-to-firewire-adapter?afid=p219%7CGOUS&cid=AOS-US-KWG-PLA

The current MacMini has both a Firewire port and a couple of Thunderbolt ports
http://www.apple.com/mac-mini/specs.html

The current MacPro tower has 4 firewire ports
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html

The MacBook Air never had a firewire port, but now has a Thunderbolt connector so it can now have Firewire.
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html

Apple's been clear that they are moving to Thunderbolt... Lots of other manufacturers, too..
http://www.apple.com/search/?q=thunderbolt§ion=mac&geo=us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
so this is not a surprise.

Between the current Macs with a firewire port and the readily available Thunderbolt adapter, making a blanket statement of "even the newer computers (Macs) don't have Firewire" is not exactly accurate.

Since "newer" (flash memory) cameras and camcorders don't/can't send the high definition video stream over USB and don't have firewire, then the other audio/video outbound ports need investigation. Pretty much all of them have analog AV-out... Most have some sort of HDMI or RGB out. These would connect to an intermediate box, then to the Mac - it depends on the Mac...

Grass Valley/Canopus ADVC55 or ADVC110 for analog/composite camcorder video out to firewire to the Mac.
Elgato for analog/composite camcorder video out to USB to the Mac (expect reduced video quality).
Black Magic Designs makes various HDMI and RGB boxes... there are a few others, but these are the ones I've seen.


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Thanks for the info

by web1tech - 12/13/12 1:23 PM

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Thanks for the feedback.
Lots of stuff to digest on.


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