Win XP Defrag OR Norton Speed Disk?
by dromel - 1/19/05 1:06 PM
Does anyone have a strong opinion as to which prog is more efficient, Win XP Defrag OR Norton Speed Disk?
I feel that I should be consistent in only using one, or the other.
by: dromel January 19, 2005 1:06 PM PST
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Norton Support is now the worst I've ever encounted.
I have been using their Utility programs for more than 20 years but the 2005 Norton Utility CD package with Norton Antivirus is a beast! The antivirus program loaded and registered and operated without any problems. However, the Utilites loaded only partial segments and did not register correctly. Norton Support says to erase and reload the utilities. After trying this numerous times without any luck I tried phone support. After buying new software that would not load or register properly I was asked to PAY for phone support!!! Finally I tried sending an E-Mail with complete discription of the problems encountered. I received a reply from a foriegn country (India?) asking for the same info contained in my E-mail! At this point having spent many wasted hours trying to install the Utilties I gave up and erased everything except the antivirus software which runs fine. I sent a E-Mail to Norton Corporate Customer Service saying after 20 years I was questioning whether I should switch to a competitive product in view of the buggy software I had purchased? I never received a reply!!!
Norton Support Ugh!
Thank you for your contribution. I started using Norton Utilities in 1989. I loved it and have used it since. However in later years, they have become too arrogant. Their uninstallment program sucks, yet for every failure in installation, I have had to go through my whole registry and windows explorer on a search for Norton, Symantec, Nu, & NSW. I have a really large registry. 250 G byte drive that is pretty full. So you can imagine. It is so easy to make mistakes if you go on automatic. So easy to do. I have even had to format my whole drive just to get it all right. & they want money to talk to me on the phone after I have paid for and never completed installing it. Never again. I use the free programs that Comcast gives me for free, (Full version of McAfee) & what MSN gives me for free along with the full version of Diskeeper. full version of Ad-Aware, Spybot and Spy Sweeper. My computer hums now
Norton Support Ugh!
I agree with your views on Norton. I am trying to uninstall Norton because it conflicts with Macafee and I can't uninstall it. It says " Corupt Data" unisnstalltion cannot continue.
Were you able to install?
Re: Norton Support - Ugh!!
I only ever had one product on a computer I owned, the O/S there was Windows 98SE, and that product was the Symantec fax system. Not only did it never work, it was almost impossible to remove (I had to do a full re-install to get rid of it). I can completely support the previous person's comments about Norton, in fact I would go as far as to say I have Trend Micro's Internet Security Suite, this has a full anti-virus system, real-time virus scan, incoming and outgoing mail scan (including attachments), firewall, URL filter, Privacy Data Protection, and Anti Spam.
It is easily updated and should I ever need to remove it from my machine, that is easily accomplished as well.
All Norton products do a fine job. I have used it Norton System for several years, and will renew again.
You are okay with the version you have. I had no problems with it. The 2004 version is where they destroyed what they had. I will not use their software anymore. I have removed Norton.
I am not a big fan of Norton on any of their software except Ghost and I only use the boot disk to clone a drive and that;s it. I use for many years now System Mechanic and windows defrag software.
No good experiences with Norton or Symantec since 1981
The most recent outrage by Norton is that for some unknown period the signatures I was downloading were most likely for the Palm OS so the scans on my XP desktop were useless.
I first found out when online renewal of virus signature subscription was described as '...for Palm OS'. How long have my virus scans been using Palm OS virus signatures? Who knows? They're such dumbasses they can't even retire a product code when they discontinue support, so you end up with support for the wrong product.
Every Norton product I've used after the original Utilities (circa 1981) has somehow caused me grief. Most recent was no-notice drop of support for Anti-Virus 2002 and no way to upgrade what came installed on my computer. 'Contact Us' sends email to non-existent address. Had to download a special tool just to uninstall - typical with Norton. Symantec online support reeks and it's impossible to get anyone on the phone.
For years I've only used Norton A/V because it comes installed. Now I will not allow Symantec or Norton on my network period. I now use McAfee but am looking to replace that because the UI sucks. Right-click a file, scan it - does Mcafee tell you what it's going to do when the screen comes up - no - it looks like it's going to scan the whole system. Does it tell you what it did when it completes - no - you know it scanned something but it doesn't tell you what.
Norton is like Crack slowly destroying your machine
by qaz111111 - 10/14/05 9:35 AM
In Reply to: No good experiences with Norton or Symantec since 1981 by cscoder
I have used Norton on Mac and PC for about 15 years. On both platforms the software trys to reapir errors but it makes it's best guess. This does not work in the long run although it may fix short term problems. This is analagous to stuffing a bread ball in a leaking boat; so the whole thing will go down. Symantec eats enormous resources on a PC. You can't install the parts without the hooks to other parts and those hooks drain performance. Each time you run a Norton product it changes the registry and trys to correct stored code which inevitably is corrupted in the defrag process. The end result is poor performance and corrupted data. The best way to avoid this problem is to ignore defraging until the machine is clearly on it's knees. Then defrag and I would reccommend Advanced System OPtimizer as the best utility I have ever seen. They have a thirty day trial (I am not promoting them) so you can test them out for free (a big item in my book.) Norton has been a love-hate relationship for years; it's time for a clean break and divorce.
I swear by Norton
I wouldn't use anything Norton
I agree 100%. Norton has lost it's credibility. It WAS the best, but no more.
I am not going to recount the nightmares I have had with recent versions of Norton, but I have ultimately had to completely do a fresh reinstall of Windows XP to get rid of the damage NAV2005 did to my computer -- this after reading reams of technical documents and phone help from both Symantec and Microsoft. Symantec needs to completely rewrite the code and make installation and deinstallation straightforward. The software has become way too burdensome and exacts too severe a toll on system performance. I am now happily using PC-Cillin.
BIG TIME! Try Diskeeper. Used it for years. Surf while you defrag and for free. Automated version costs, but worth the upgrade. Go to:
Don't know what your problem is or how old you are, but Norton Systemworks is a fine maintenance suite (minus the anti-virus, which is a system resource hog). Ever heard the saying "If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything"?
Speedisk & Diskeeper Degraded My Overall Performance
Ive used Speedisk and Diskeeper and both over time made my computer run like molasses, Diskeeper more so than Speedisk. Windows Defrag is much better than either one and doesnt suck all your system resources dry like Norton.
Used Norton once, NOT now...
I was a long time user of Norton. I found that running Norton (I upgraded from Win ME to Win XP) my PC was VERY slow. At one time I had ZoneAlarm Pro and Norton Anti virus, I got rid of Norton Anti virus and switched to ZoneAlarm Security Suite. What a difference!!! My PC actually runs so much better!!!
My personal recommendation is this: DON'T use Norton if you don't want a slow PC. If speed is not an issue for you then use Norton products.
As for the topic: defrag utilities. First, I have a fat32 config for my HD because I had the "pleasure" of using the crap OS called Win ME, When upgrading to Win XP I was not able to change to the NTFS config. I used to defrag on a regular basis. I'm noticing that after I run Win defrag utility I have problems with some programs. So, I don't defrag on a regular basis. I also do not notice that much of a difference in speed after running defrag either.
Get rid of Norton
I fully agree that it is almost impossible to get rid of Norton once it is installed.
I paid for an extension but it never started working and it took weeks to remove it completely. (Help from Symantec to get Norton working was very bad)
No More Norton Products For Me
All Norton Products are expensive now and a lot of their programs, IMHO, have software issues. Other programs such as disckeeper, pc-cillin, Panda Anti-virus programs do a better job for less money and do not take control of the PC as Norton does. I prefer disckeeper or the Windows defrag utility.
No Norton or MS tools anymore - O&O Defrag soft is better
I used to rely on either Windows XP degrag tool or Norton speed disk for my CPU defrags, until a friend of mine mention O&O Defrag Pro v. 8 software. After testing it I'll never more go back with MS or Norton defrag tools. O&O soft is terrific, you can defrag while you continue working on your PC, you can also defrag several drivers and hard disks simultaneously and still continue working, you can schedule automatic defrags determining the maximun fragmentation after which O&O will be launch starting defrag and other beauties. Tehe best of all is that O&O performs a better job than MS and Norton tools.
You are so right about NORTON
My PC is messed up with Norton Anti-Virus. I cannot install it nor can I remove it. Symantec sent me three pages of instructions of how to remove it from my registery. I now use AVG and am happy.
No Norton for me
I had the Norton Suite on my old computer. Later, when I wanted to use a different antivirus and fire wall, I could not. After uninstalling Nortons antivirus and firewall, I had compatibility issues with Norton System Works. So I tried to uninstall that. "Tried" is the keyword here. There were fragments of Norton that would not uninstall. I couldn't use another brand of antivirus as long as those fragments remained. I ended up having to reinstall and reformat my OS after trying everything possible. I learned the hard way...DO NOT INSTALL ANYTHING NORTON....EVER!
This person is telling it like it is! I also had a problem with Norton, after many frustrating attempts to remove it, I even e-mailed Norton about the 'problem'. They, in turn, gave me info that was completely worthless (same as their product). It took a format to rid myself of them and I am worried about even printing their name!!! coley
What tests do you do?
Your comment on defragging not improving performace, what "tests" have you done or read that say it does not help. I have a 200 Gig hard drive and had a 80 gig in an earlier computer and ect ect. ect. Defragging "ALWAYS" gives me an improvement. Try this test.
Let your computer get all fragmented and go to >Start>All Programs<<<<>>>>> See how long it takes for your program list to "appear". Now defrag and do the same. I assure you it will happen faster. Oh, i always restart my computer after a defrag to, dont know why i started this but i do it.? Never hurts.
Norton Anti-Virus won't delete
I recently tried to delete all traces of Norton from my system after having a free 6 month trial from Dell.
I ran Add-Remove programs, and I ran Search with general and specific search criteria. After that I ran Privacy Suite to delete all remnants. I still get pop-up anti-virus error messages from Norton. How can I completely uninstall all traces of this pesky program from my computer? I am using Windows XP Home Edition. I am fed up!
Deleting Norton From your system
In order to delete all files and registry keys left by Symantec on your computer, you should run the Symantec Removal Tool. You can find it on symantec's website.
RE: XP defrag vs Norton Speed Disk
Definitely use one or the other. Each program performs its task with different results. I recommend using Norton Speed Disk over the built in Microsoft utility as it is 2-3x's faster and reorganises your files for faster access based on your history and how you use your machine and applications. Speed is the issue here.
defrag vs speed disk....again
Just some helpful info on windows defag speed. You want to speed up defrag? Try doing it in SAFE MODE. It will, at least, cut the time in 1/2. Only necessary applications are running so there's no real interference with the process.
defrag vs speed disk....SAFE MODE
Remember one thing about SAFE MODE, especially if it is not ABSOLUTELY necessary. It totally messes up your desktop icons because it only loads a VGA (640 X 480) video driver. Oh, the icons are all there alright, but if you had them in any special places, like I do, they are not there any more. My advice, leave SAFE MODE for only when it's necessary. To me, time is money, and I sure don't intend to spend a bunch of time rearranging my icons just because defrag runs a little faster. I just start my defrag when I'm ready to go to bed. Then who cares how long it takes? What is so hard about that?
By the way, the answers to this question should take into account which Windows operating system is being referred to. Because the defrags for Windows 2000 and XP are basically on par (at least) with Norton, where as none of the older Windows versions were. It has become quite obvious over the years (remember memory management programs?) if Bill Gates et al had done their homework, there never would even have been a market for Norton/Symantec, et al, products, and all the problems they have caused. Interesting thought, no?
defrag vs speed disk....SAFE MODE, addendum
Ok, forget about the other Win OSs, i forgot this was XP Forum. My bad.
Anybody tried defragmenter pro plus? It's so incredibly fast that I doubt it could defrag "thoroughly". The longest is 30 min for a 80 Gig disk. I've just done 200 G + 80 G on my Celeron 2.4. Done in 25 min, i.e., after 3 days of downloadong 6 G of DVD binaries! However I tried immediately after with Diskeeper 9. Still at it after 4 hours and waiting impatiently.