Obama scheduled for 4:45pm today
by James Denison - 9/30/13 1:26 PM
Another browbeating session?
by: James Denison September 30, 2013 1:26 PM PDT
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.....and the definition you posted is not what they have:
I did not use Wikipedia. I used the Free Legal Dictionary.
If "economical fall of this country due to his agendas" is treason, then someone should go arrest the man who was running the country when the economy actually did collapse.
who actually STARTED it at the beginning, then Carter and Clinton should be the targets and not the one who had to feel the collapse when he didn't do it.....and now go after the most recent who has decided deliberately to make the same mistakes.
and so many logged on to sign up today
it crashed almost every exchange, federal and states.
yeap, no body wants it.
I don't have aproblem with repealing Obamacare, but a few of the aspects do need to have something done about it.
I do have a problem with a minority trying to dictate to a majority by blackmail.
(NT) there went the Civil Rights Act
Sign up? Or just look around?
Just because there is a 'counter' on the website to indicate how many people 'visited' the site doesn't mean they actually 'signed up' for anything, Roger. I've had crappy BINGO websites crash when they had a 'free' room open up and 100 people all tried to get into it at the same time. lol
I know that there was somebody on the morning talkshow on Fox yesterday who got to the site and was 'put on hold' for almost two hours (all while the laptop was sitting on the table next to him so he could watch the progress) and by the time the show ended, he still wasn't able to connect with the pages to go any further than the 'homepage'.
I know BO and news media shows are claiming 'millions' have signed up......but I really suspect that a good many of them were nothing more than visitors who were there to check out the site and the options out of curiosity more than they were there to actually sign up....and the media are shilling for BO regarding actual signup numbers. Those will be easier to know later....kind of like the labor numbers....we'll get a weekly update and each media outlet will have different views on what they are and what they really mean.
One guy was interviewed yesterday and he said that when he got in and realized he had until March to sign up, he decided to 'wait and see' because he didn't have the money to make a premium payment right now and the site wasn't telling him if he was qualified for a subsidy check. He said he wasn't all that interested in a 'tax credit' and would prefer to get a check instead.
"I don't get the impression" should be "I get the impression"
You don't see him as dividing the nation?
That could only be true of people who've not seen him work. He's used every opportunity imaginable to divide by race, gender, income level, sexual preference and more. He's let it be known who he favors in each case in order to get them to line up behind him to face those who would oppose him. Never have I seen a president do this much damage to whatever fragile harmony we may have had.
.....has he tried to divide the country by sexual preference? By eventually agreeing with the right of gays to marry?
And by gender -- how, exactly?
racially motivated beer summits
Mistaking other people's violent teens to "look like" could be one of his? Bailing out Detroit, while ignoring the plight of Appalachia. He's as racially motivated as they come.
comes all the way down to my territory and every one of them clings to their bibles and their guns. LOL He won't come here.
I corrected my error.
In the post just above yours. Indeed, I wanted to say that he divides the nation more than uniting it. That's not the primary function of a (ceremonial) king.
I'll agree he has divided more than united
but so have his most vocal opponents.
they fight back against the lies?
because I dislike radicals of both sides
and those that oppose everything and stop the government for personal dislike as much as philosophical reasons.
Did you approve of BO's
speech yesterday when he kept calling it the "Republican shutdown".....as if he and Reid had no involvement at all?
It was the Republicans that decided to not agree with the proposed budget. They preferred the shutdown. So it seems a reasonable description to me.
wasn't home from work yet,
but while I blame both, I do feel the Republicans are acting like spoiled children.
they all proposed budgets
and no president gets everything he wants. Even King Roosevelt didn't get it all.
Yes, because that's what it is
It's the equivalent of someone taking my wife hostage, then saying the situation is my fault for refusing to negotiate terms for her release. What's next -- the GOP shuts down the government until Obama agrees to resign and let Romney become president? The ACA is THE LAW, despite their 41 attempts to repeal it and an appeal to the Supreme Court (which failed).
I like that analogy Josh
You just need to realize it's Obama taking the country hostage and not with any terms of release. This is the first time a federal law demands citizens buy a federal product at threat of force. That is tyranny.
1. It's not a federal product
(the public option was removed from the law).
2. There is no threat of force.
You don't call a "fine"
the same as "force"? OK, let's call it a "penalty" instead. Let's not parse words over it, it's a "mandate".
Since this is law. Since Obama even says it's already passed as law. Why then is Obama and Demcrats blaming Republicans objection to Obamacare as reason for the government shutdown, when this is really about the entire budget and Obamacare is not the ONLY program facing cutbacks in funding. It's a red herring from the Liar in Chief and his Democratic cronies.
This isn't about "cutbacks in funding" and you know it
They tried to do an end-run around the fact that the ACA is in effect by removing ALL funding from it. That failed, so they tried to delay implementation of it. That failed, so they tried to restore different pieces of the budget one at a time. Guess which one they would have left out. That failed too.
They have the votes right now to pass the full bill, but Boehner won't allow it to be brought to a vote.
The ACA was passed. The funding was approved. They need to do their jobs.
Josh, I almost wish they'd let it be funded
It's obvious this Obamacare law is more onerous even than Prohibition was, and given time that will become apparent to all. It will be considered "Obama's Folly" in years, decades to come. Let him have his failure, let his history bear the shame of same. Sometimes when people want to rush headlong into foolishness, after numerous warnings it becomes time to step aside and let them drive right over the cliff, pick up their pieces at the bottom. This program is doomed to failure since the seeds of it's own destruction exist within it's very makeup. I hate to see Americans have to suffer because of it, maybe a decade or so before it's finally killed off like Prohibition was, but maybe America deserves the punishment. As for my family, my wife just moved from working at a contractor to Maryland state employment, my daughter already works for the state, one other daughter is a US Marine sergeant, so for my whole family the Obamacare is a mute point anyway, we are all covered for healthcare. Sorry for everyone else. I feel almost Congressional, not having to worry myself personally about it.
That's exactly what they should do
Let it be funded, and then see how it goes. If it's a disaster they come out big winners politically. If it's a success, it's a political loss for them but a win for the people who benefit from it.
I don't need the exchanges either, though I plan to check them out just to see what they're offering and how the reality measures up against the hype from both sides.
(NT) gerrymandering is a historical tradition of all politicians
by Roger NC - 10/1/13 3:53 AM
In Reply to: You missed one. The 2012 election was fought essentially as by Ziks511
did they read it first?
No they did NOT
The bill passed. Are you suggesting they try to have that vote reversed on the grounds that the people who voted didn't read it first? I don't know if there's any law or rule covering that.
Remember what Roberts said when
he gave his decision in SCOTUS? "You deserve what you vote for"........and yes, eventually, it will be reversed.
If a Republican majority is able to reverse it, it will be reversed. In the meantime it's the law. In an effort to block funding for a law that is already on the books, the House Republicans have shut down the federal government, resulting in mortgage applications sitting in limbo which will cost many people their homes, government employees not getting paid (except Congress, naturally), passport applications sitting in limbo, and --- in a juicy ironic twist -- gun permits also sitting in limbo.
Jon Stewart put it well last night. He said the New York Giants lost 37-7 on Sunday and this is the equivalent of them saying "If you don't give us 25 more points, we're shutting down the NFL."