Speakeasy forum: Irony, Sequestration, Warn Act

after such a fiasco as last year and this year, we turn out every Congresscitter at their next primary, not in the general election, but in the party primaries.

Of course, that was something the Tea Party succeeded in a few districts and lost the Republican party safe seats.

My view is opposite of theirs of course, I want some more moderates from both conservative and liberal camps.

wishy washy is one common intended as an insult to anyone that isn't as dogmatic like an inquistion judge or isn't as pie in the sky optimistic as a pot high hippie.

wishy washy
fence sitter
weak willed


If you don't have a hard line position and damn those who think different you're not worthy belong, example the current fanatic's love of the terms RINO and DINO for example. Those position? if you don't agree with all the way and hate the opposition you're no good and don't belong.

Now I'm not accusing you of that Steve, even when I disagree with your position, I've never consider you a radical or intractable.

I'm just pointing out the term used and the attitude often held by those using it.

you have no say so in the primaries.

And that right now is where things need changing, not allowing any incumbent to even run again.

Then you can still vote conservative or liberal if you have a strong leaning and still vote for someone new.

Sadly, I don't think many reasonable people will run for office. It seems you have to hear the drumbeat of power, influence, and notority to run for office now.

why wouldn't it be limited to party members?

There is a state that lets registered independents vote in one primary or the other but not both, I can't remember where.

Just sitting saying "I told you so" when I brought this up before the November election. Those notices would have been received two days before votes were cast and BO deliberately told those contractors to break the law and guaranteed payment for any possible lawsuits that would show up (and they will in droves) because he didn't want that notice showing up and getting jammed in his face with a vote against him. So he gets a pass for telling companies to break the law in order to get elected, but the taxpayers, instead of getting the cuts that show up next week, will actually go into debt for the lawsuits that will result.

What a piece of sh.. this guy is.

Under a 2011 law designed to avert exactly this type of inaction, March 1 means automatic cuts of $85 billion from a $3.6 trillion budget over the seven months spanning March-September.

At first, the general public may not much notice the cuts. The sequester isn't a government shutdown; it's a government slowdown. Furloughs of federal workers — forced unpaid days off — generally won't start for a month due to notification requirements.

So they start sending out notices March 1 giving the required 60 day notice...and there are no lawsuits?

You said

Just sitting saying "I told you so" when I brought this up before the November election. Those notices would have been received two days before votes were cast and BO deliberately told those contractors to break the law and guaranteed payment for any possible lawsuits that would show up (and they will in droves) because he didn't want that notice showing up and getting jammed in his face with a vote against him. So he gets a pass for telling companies to break the law in order to get elected, but the taxpayers, instead of getting the cuts that show up next week, will actually go into debt for the lawsuits that will result.

I said

So they start sending out notices March 1 giving the required 60 day notice...and there are no lawsuits?

Answer these 2 questions THEN I'll respond further.

1. Are you complaining about the lawsuits that will be filed because a "60 day notice of layoffs" is required., and you think it should have been given in Nov before the election? (Yes OR No)

2. Do you think they can't give a "60 day notice of layoffs" on March 1 or at any time after that? (I guess you think they can't, so give an explanation of WHY NOT)

The 60 day notice has to be given 60 days BEFORE the actual event takes place,

Would the "actual event" be the "layoff", and NOT "Sequestration"?

European weapons maker BAE Systems reported stronger-than-expected earnings Thursday, after issuing conditional layoff notices to 3,500 shipyard employees in Florida, Hawaii and Virginia, citing uncertainty in the federal budget.

BAE Systems sent the layoff warnings Wednesday to comply with the 1988 Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, which requires companies with more than 100 employees to issue notices 60 days before mass layoffs or plant closures.

for most companies. What part of that don't you understand or haven't you watched any conservative news shows to realize that the layoffs are already starting, especially in VA? I ask about conservative news shows because the liberal news rags aren't covering that part much yet.

Sequestration March 1....layoffs March 1.......SAME EVENT DATE requires 60 days ADVANCE notice which would have been January 1.

I realize that math and reading aren't your best friends....perhaps Head Start should have been implemented in Canada in time to help you with that.

a 'furlough' and a 'layoff' notice, JP........a furlough is where you have to take unpaid days off (such as you would have if you were put on part-time status) and can keep your job but aren't officially laid off from your job and may not ever be called back. A layoff is where you are officially laid off and have that 60 days notice to decide if you are going to look for another job or hope they call you back soon. The LAYOFF notices are what are supposed to go out 60 days PRIOR to being laid off.......and many are already getting those pink slips....and those are the notices that were supposed to go out first by November 1 and again after the delay of sequestration by January 1 and none did.

I am not wrong about this, JP.......your link refers to 'furloughs', not layoffs.

With a 60 day notice.....You are going to be laid of in 60 days...that's the end of April

And you think some lawyer is going to fight THAT in Court?

They may be ambulance chasers but come on Toni...Give them some credit.

You're twisting stuff now Toni...admit it.

When the lawsuits start, I'll let you know, because they ARE coming

Please do...I've permalinked your post and will be reminding you weekly.

According to this site sequestration is 6 days 12 hours and 45 minutes away...and counting


The time for the layoff countdown doesn't start until the clock hits 00:00:00?