Speakeasy forum: Has anyone else been following the Carnival cruise line

under those conditions is enough to make me never plan a cruise.

'Politics and International Relations don't really allow much room for morality or high minded principles..."

and now you're blaming business people for lack of good principles? If this needs to be corrected, who do you think should be taking the lead?

it made me think of that boatload of Jews which weren't allowed to disembark in Cuba prior to WW2. Eventually they ended up back in Europe, just in time for WW2. Of course Carnival Cruise passengers only have to endure the conditions there for less than a week if I have the time linen correct. Pretty disgusting to read about. I was wondering why they didn't lower some of the lifeboats and let some crew or passengers try to catch some fish for food, or was the problem no cooking facilities working? Were all the stoves electric instead of propane or some hydrocarbon fuel? Maybe they will make a change in what type of food supplies they keep on hand, perhaps more canned and vacuum packed goods that would last a week during an event like this?

I actually agree in general about over expectations in general and too quick to sue syndrome.

However, this is beyond just not satisfied with the experience. Would you think it was a risk you take if you were in a store shopping and the ceiling fell in on you?

Now I'm not advocating lawsuits here, they are over used. I got a spam text message on my phone the other day solicting people with side effects to some drug I never heard of to got to a web site for help in getting compensation.

IF this experience ends up being due to maintenance skipped, shortcuts taken, decisions contrary to established standards, or anything along those lines, then it becomes a question of who made the decision and are such actions encouraged by the management attitudes. I've seen safety talked in industry but when it came to equipment going down the expectations about "get it done" were obviously contrary to the vocal safety talk.

This should lead to review and attempts to plan for any future disable ships to be unloaded quicker. I agree transfer at sea would be too problematic. I haven't followed it close enough to know if there was a closer harbor somewhere, even without docking, that would have been large enough and quiet enough to anchor two ships and transfer passengers.

At least you would think there would be emergency provisions to use sea water and emergency toilets flushed straight to sea in such an extreme cases, more than just 23 bathrooms for over 3000 people as I heard reported available.

Don't forget Carnival is also the owner of that ship that went aground when the Captain took it too close to shore.

ruling that the events that occurred were not necessarily unavoidable or acts of God, but failure of someone to do what should have been done.

Signing a sheet that says you do something at your own risk doesn't mean the owner of property is totally excempted from responsibility.

I'm not advocating lawsuits necessarily, but there may be individuals, or groups, that bear responsibility for not doing what should have been done.

Wavier for ship breakdown even isn't necessarily ironclad, if there was a known problem that wasn't addressed properly before the ship sail for example.

From what I've heard of this company over the years, I'd expect those tickets to have less than a year's time limit on them, probably 3-6 months, and not everyone can take off on a cruise but once a year.

I was wondering why they didn't lower some of the lifeboats and let some crew or passengers try to catch some fish for food,

There were 4,000 people on board...suppose they did catch 2 fish and they found 5 loaves of bread in the freezer...Who was the Captain?

The story I heard was that the people at the first of the food line were loading their plate like it was an all you could eat buffet....

management for the handling of the situation, some passengers are praising the crew for the way they did what they could and the crew's attitude of trying to help etc.