Speakeasy forum: Modern Backlash Against Feminism?

And the world goes round and round.

Ziks is in favor of "Laddism" as he calls it, involving date rape and other "boys will be boys" behavior. Up the down stair case for him.

Were Mark Flax here he could confirm.

You are the one making the unfounded assertion that teenage hooliganism is a reaction to feminism using an article in the Guardian which makes no such assertion. The connection of these Upper Class yobbo's to feminism is all your own it is entirely unmentioned in the article you use to prove your assertion.

"[Uni Lads'] constant quest for 'gash' has less to do with sex for its own sake, and more to do with reporting back to the LADpack afterwards." The word "pack" is appropriate - these young men are banding together for the hunt, revelling in their bravado and their ability to shock." It isn't a reaction to Feminism, it is pack behaviour among young males.

So substantiate the charge that this is a reaction to Feminism, or back off and apologize to the SE Forum for letting your own misogyny and strange thought patterns create another entirely fictitious post from the Planet Denison.

Rob

concerning race, that would just be more "Laddishness"?

I seek the answer which explains it.

acting tough or serious, either way it's evidence of their own stupidity and lack of respect for anyone, not just women.

Slang is bad enough, routinely using insulting terms to refer to women all the time.

No James, it's not a backlash, it's same old hate that believe in keeping them barefoot and pregnant, or women are only good for the kitchen and the bedroom, etc.

"backlash against feminism".

Oh wait...Sorry I just noticed your ?

THAT changes everything.

to make money. Was Sonny Bono ever a hippie? Nah, he just wanted to make milllions in the Music Business and provided content and production and bad vocals.

Barry McGuire started out as part of the "Folk" explosion as a member of The Rooftop Singers "Green, Green, (as green they say...)" a group manufactured by a record company to cash in on the "Folk" boom. Glen Campbell played 12 string on the same record. Is he a hippie? Somehow the only person who might possibly have qualified as a Hippie to play Las Vegas is George Carlin, and truthfully, he was too old to be a hippie.

And there is a difference between a musician and being in the Music Business, Ask Artie Shaw, or listen to him on the first Swing dvd of the Series Jazz.

But that is just a small quibble over an insubstantial figure.

Social media is for young people to think they have their own channel away from adult supervision. The magazine referred to was probably the creation of some young publishing exec to tap an advertising stream and advance his prospects with the old men running the company who are pandering to the demographic for profits. The reason things don't change over time "is that the old men have all the money, and a young man ain't got nuthin' in the world these days" because that's where the jobs are and emulation breeds promotion. The quotation incidentally is not from Messers Daltry, Townsend and Company, it is from the Mississippi-born American white jazz artist Mose Allison from the late 50's. I love Mose Allison. Saw him at Ronnie Scott's club in Soho, London, in 1998 and he was still as funny and sharp and musical as ever.

It is sort of the job of young people to be irritating, it is a process called individuation, and is necessary in ego formation. It usually occurs during the Terrible Two's, again around 4-5, and especially from about 9 to 18. Then they setlle down and become their parents all over again. It's all part of life's rich pageant.

Honestly, Steven, I'm not really in disagreement with your fundamental thought. I'm really trying to give it a larger context, and to encourage you to see that all is not going to hell in a handbasket, but is evolving as it should. Be hopeful, Steven. The world is just doing what it is supposed to do. Going round in circles. (No Billy Preston references please.)

Rob

While Hippie was a term used by those who wanted to be Hippies, and by the media, I never knew any one who called himself one. Girls self identified as Hippie Chicks, but not guys. Then again, that segment of society also split into the bell bottom brigade who were hedonists, and the straight leg jean, work-boot politicals and social activists who thought they were creating a new view of society. You can probably tell which of those I was, and I never used the word about myself or my friends, but did use it generically as a shorthand to describe people with a counter-culture viewpoint.

And I take your point that "Social Media" has been greatly abused by young people and has hurt many young people as well. I agree it does act like a megaphone amplifying what might be a small circulation rumour into a loud widespread lie, which persists even when the original lie is taken out of circulation.

How we stop thoughtless young people from being thoughtless young people is not a task I see any way to achieve, however. The classical liberal solution would be to put a programme in place to help those damaged by social media, but clearly that's impossible both organizationally and financially. And where the hell are the parents in the equation? Generally, thoughtless young people tend to be the offspring of thoughtless older people who don't set either a good expample or limits on their kid's behaviour. Nor do they, the parents, recognize their own failure. If it were pointed out to them, they'd just react with anger and denial. And so it goes (Kurt Vonnegut)

Rob

and perhaps came from "hep cat" such as what one might have called Maynard G. Krebs (Bob Denver) character on Dobie Gillis. Maynard, of course, was an exaggeration of the stereotype...that being a person who "dug" jazz but shunned anything related to work. Hippies were anything from idlers to bohemian but dug psychedelic music. Both hep cats and hippies developed their own language such as kids do today. I'm thinking that the term yuppie often referred to a one time hippie who'd abandoned that life to pursue one with "upward mobility". The term was also short for "young upwardly mobile professional" and had morphed from hippie to yippie and then to yuppie...or some such sequence. I really don't know. Just a poor kid from the midwest who grew up with B&W TV and had a crystal radio to listen to.

"Beatnik" as I was too young to understand what it meant when I first heard it. I'm now thinking the character of Maynard G. Krebs was more to stereotype that era of jazz,...maybe "bebop"... "beat" poetry, etc. A "beatnik" was to be recognized by certain types of chin whiskers and mannerisms. It seemed that some type of hair growth or style played a part in creating a cartoon caricature of any stereotype from beatnik to hippie and yuppie. I'd say that John Edwards was probably one of the most well known for sporting a yuppie hairdo.

Anyone who followed the comic strip "Beetle Bailey" got a taste of the evolution of youth culture from beatnik onward. Somehow Mort Walker (the creator) was able to introduce each of these into the military culture as well even though hair growth was strictly regulated in the armed services.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8W4wZVGnu4

"Gilligan" as Maynard Krebs, "the beat generation".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8fC4dvAmf8

Jerry Lewis does beatnik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc6i6liFJ84

LOL, beatnik "hootenanny". Obviously like having fun mixing up terms, can you dig it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37crutb09fw