Speakeasy forum: Illegal aliens appear to have revitalized the economy of NE

I don't accept that they are stealing anything which wasn't already just lying around unregarded, meaning jobs which native born Americans wouldn't do, or wages that native born Americans wouldn't accept. The issue is far more what those who manage business allocates to labour costs, than the influx of illegals.

And while they were legal, our forefathers worked and died in sweatshops mines and industries to enrich others, and most of them crawled out of the working class by dint of the War, and Union wages in the 50's, 60's and 70's. America wasn't impoverished by those wages, it was greatly enriched. But management didn't like sharing a class with its workers, and confabulated its own class war, blaming unions for every inequity which their own short sightedness created. Think about the impact of the Volkswagen and Japanese automobiles on the Auto industry. You don't think the US could have produced economical vehicles just as good? But Auto Execs were focussed on bigger, faster, louder, more gallons per mile. The only one with any brains was an immigrant's child, Lee Iacocca.

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire. Look it up, It will be good for you. Fire Exits locked, no fire fighting equipment, upper floors of the building, and employees, Jewish and Italian girls between 16 (yeah, right) and 23.

Rob

rob

What you don't know is Hormel and other companies offer in Mexico wages to those that come, legal or illegal. Once at the doorstep of Hormel, they're not chased away. If the Border Patrol clamped down as it should the word gets out that it isn't safe to come. So, besides Hormel and BP, who do you blame. I guarantee you some white dude is pushing paper and really not super checking the legal status. This happens all too often and its not just Mexicans. For that matter why not send back all those Asians and people of color that get here for educational reasons, then never leave because their skills are so needed. Those are the real high paying jobs, like Drs, engineers, and scientists, go figure. You'll complain about some guy working a meat line that is grunge work and they certainly don't get the big bucks like the white guys before them. Now, all those states that passed stricter enforcement of immigration laws are hard at work trying to find people to fill the jobs. Who complains the most, those companies and if they move, guess what, it doesn't work one way or another. The same thing happens at all the packing outfits. In some cases, they bus the workers, anyone willing to work, local or not. It so happens many locals quit because its just too much, so these aren't the glory jobs but something that pays.

if you want this to stop, then seize the company or generate a stop work order for 30 days. If it happens again, haul off the officers of the company and put them in jail for 30 days. I'll guarantee you, things will get sorted out. -OR- you'll see a new scheme of having sacrifice officers that can be jailed but the super big wigs are safe. But no, they pay politicians the right to get away with it, right now. -----Willy

So tell me, how many people are lining up in urban Philly to move to rural Nebraska and work in a poultry factory (etc.)? Proper training? No. It's about supply and demand in the marketplace mostly. Also, the wage/income required to raise a family/purchase a home is higher now, hence the higher number of households with double earners. This actually helps reduce the mobility a little too in seeking out new job opportunities.

Actually, a lot of the 'liberal' talk radio hosts make this assertion as well. They try to make the case that there somehow are magic busloads of Americans queuing up to take such jobs in the heartland. Fallacy at best. Truth be told, certain types of basic construction work (e.g. throwing up sheet rock), would grind to a halt in places such as Orange County, CA if it weren't for illegal labor being hired to do the job @ $8/hr. Ditto for other services such as housecleaners/janitors & nannies. Most working couples living in expensive urban areas can't afford to hire a pedigreed caregiver but a less expensive immigrant nanny often fits the budget much better, offering very similar service.

You should really brush up on your economics, business, and perhaps read a little of the peer reviewed Human Resource publications to get a better grasp on this subject and other related ones so frequently discussed by the media (usually, rather inaccurately or very incomplete).

They come from oil and gas. Surely there's a way to implement government protections on the Dakota lands and put those new workers back on the dole where they belong.

If you paid attention in class (LOL), you would understand that right now, the net flow of Mexicans are returning home because our overall economy has stalled. Those are the actual facts, instead of cherry picking one industry, amigo.

Tougher industries, such as poultry plants, without such premium pay of the oil & gas industries, will obviously have a much tougher time filling positions. Nice try, but again, you need to get out more and read some peer reviewed journals on these issues instead of trolling the interwebs for your "data". Learn a little more about employment mobility, and how it's not as straightforward as you might think regarding relocating/taking new/higher paying jobs.

money that illegals earn goes back to their own country of origin for two purposes......a bank account so they can go home where costs are low and live handsomely in early retirement or to support their families that aren't here. They DO pay into our economy......ten to a house or apartment to share expenses, one vehicle purchased to carry seven or eight to a job site and share the gas, fast food instead of real meals cooked in the house or apartment or at a restaurant (I've personally seen workers here buy two hotdogs from a gas station along with a cold drink and go back to work), a couple packs of smokes, etc. They don't contribute anywhere near as much as they take.

She probably saw illegals living like that in a movie.

You are more of an aSS than I thought you to be

any of my claims though........you only chose to agree with someone else and insult me, Josh. If you have nothing to add to the debate by disputing it with your own information, then why bother to post at all? Also do you know that 40% of the illegals here are from countries OTHER than Mexico who have come here on VISAs and never left? AND that they will be allowed to stay because BO believes they help our economy and he wants their revenue? AND that once they are allowed to stay 'legally' with this new bill should it pass would then open the door for them to also bring in family......not just immediate family like mother/father/brother/sister but the entire family, including far-reaching cousins, etc.?

I seriously believe that we need to do what England did for a while.......limit the number of immigrants for a while to slow down the population growth.......at least until we get our out of control spending on domestic social issues under control.......AND stop the stupid 'lottery' citizenship, where 'diversity' was the main criteria rather than education, experience, etc. should be considered.

They've always been good and reliable voters.

instead of spouting your rhetoric that amounts to nothing, you will realize that the majority of the illegals in the work force don't have an education higher than 12th grade since an education in Mexico isn't very important to citizens when they need to feed a family and most kids quit school pretty early in life. Now we will have an additional 11 million uneducated people added to our own barely educated masses because our education system is crapped out as well, and they will all be competing for the same low-paying jobs, which is all any of them will be qualified for. How is giving them the ability to now be here legally and keeping the pay scale down for everyone going to be better for our economy? Oh wait.......I know........the liberals will increase the minimum wage AGAIN in order to 'level' the playing field rather than find a real solution and give a false sense of people being elevated to the 'middle class' when in fact, the bar to reach middle class anymore is a joke when even our poverty level is now at $20,000.

that data supports your statement that Mexican cheap labor doesn't influence the pay scale, please present it. You are wrong. Most illegals coming from that country are even less educated than you are saying Americans are.......and as long as they will take those low paying, unskilled jobs because they can't qualify for anything else, the labor market will continue to stagnate with pay scales to match all around.

That's the second person in the same thread you've referred to as "naive" all without backing up anything you've said with facts. Do you suffer from megalomania?

a number of times.....not just in the TJ area below San Diego during my first husband's duty in the Navy, but in other parts of Mexico as well where I could actually see the depressed conditions. However, I also know personally a number of Mexican who are here in my town over the last 25 years.....most are seasonal and work the farms in the summers and work the Christmas tree farms in the winter. Most have also told me that they send money home for two reasons......one is to provide for family there (everything gets sent by Western Union or MoneyGram in cash at both ends). The other is so someone there can build up a savings account and when the worker feels they have enough to live better in Mexico than they would have been able to live there, they leave the USA and go back. Because the US dollar (even though it is devalued due to our Fed Reserve over the last couple of years) is STILL worth far more than their own money in local areas (not the tourist towns and cities), they can go back home, retire from working there, and survive pretty well. This information comes directly from those 'migrant' workers.........and if you don't believe these scenarios and their motives for coming here, YOU are the one that is naive.