Do you think in anything but cliches?
by Ziks511 - 1/29/13 11:02 AM
In Reply to: A very large portion of by TONI H
Chinese come, live 10 to an apartment for a year or two, and then go their separate ways, each raising a family and integrating into American life. Some of our own great grandparents may have lived 10 to a tenement flat. Does that make them contemptible or incredibly brave and determined? If we knew the brutal undisguised truth of our families' lives, many of us, maybe most would be shocked and embarrassed. Prostitution was just a step on the ladder of social advancement for many. And Jennie Jerome, Winston Churchill's American mother was the most debauched of a remarkably promiscuous social class. Apparently most of the upper and middle class, and some lower class women took a run at Edward the VII formerly the Prince of Wales under Victoria, or he took a run at them. There are stories here in Canada of the towns on the Prince of Wales' itinerary discretely lining up the compliant, and mostly married women to service the Prince's "needs" while he was here near the end of the 19th Century. You think American women would have been any different?
There's nothing contemptible about sending money to Mexico to help their families, I find it admirable in fact. And having lived in Britain, I can only admire their cleverness in adapting to a different culture. And of course you entirely discount the money they spend in the US, and the work they do which contributes to the American economy, that was the point of the little squib of an article that I posted, which you didn't understand apparently. Don't you remember the moans in the "Liberal Media" for two decades about the destruction of Main Street economies by WalMart, an entirely American exploitative adventure?
That they don't contribute adequately to the American economy is your opinion, unsupported by any evidence. Remember evidence? What you need to make your unexamined prejudiced allegations anything but baseless?
And what about the great influx of the 19th and early 20th Century? The Immigration which made America Great. Don't the same rules apply? All those foul feckless criminal drunken Irish, the criminal, greasy Wops, the Sauerkraut eaters, Polacks and Bohunks and all the other derogatory terms that filled slang Dictionaries. Hackler is German, nichtwar? The former 20th C. slum in Toronto redeveloped after WW2 is still called Cabbagetown because the smell of cooking cabbage permeated the air day and night. The 19th Century slum is now its Financial Centre.
If you want to take a Marxist view of the issue, the owners of businesses derive their wealth from the labour of others, And who precisely do you define as the ineluctably American. Native born in the 50's,or the Teens, or the 19th Century, or the 18th, or the 17th? Who exactly is really American enough for you not to despise them, since that appears to be your reaction to everyone. How long has Ahhnold been here, is he good enough to escape your calumnies? Andrew Carnegie made his millions and then went back to Scotland (Fife actually, where my paternal family originated). Do you despise him for creating much of the industry and wealth that carried the investing classes to their cushy lives and then taking his millions and creating lending libraries all over Scotland, and social service agencies as well? You could research virtually every captain of industry and find stories of great exploitation, and villainy as well as the veneer of gentility. John D. Rockefeller killed thousands through unsafe working conditions in his mines, and oilfields, and by using Baldwin-Felts thugs to break strikes. Not strikes involving just the withdrawal of labour, but strikes involving the miners' refusal to pay exorbitant rent (as in 10 to a room was a necessity), and exorbitant prices at the Company store. Read about the Ludlow Massacre, April 20, 1914. killing from 19 to 25
people, "including two women and eleven
children, asphyxiated and burned to death under a single tent." That made J.D. Rockefeller the most reviled man in America for decades.
I am not a Marxist, but even an idiot can have one idea which is correct. And Marx was no idiot, just profoundly mistaken about the solution to the very real inequities which were his starting point.
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