Speakeasy forum: Just a dumb thought regarding gun control and

that background thinking.

The 2nd Ammendment as explained by Libertarians,Penn and Teller :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50

That clip was taken from their show,Bullsh*t that ran on Showtime about gun control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE&list=PLC4B53E6700D79133&index=1

I found it easy to watch and informative,it's divided into three 9min segments at that link.

Please note: as with anything dealing with Penn and Teller,there is an occaisional crude reference and four letter word thrown in.People too politically correct and easily offended should not watch either link.

that the same people who fear government tyranny want to make the government enforce their beliefs on everyone else?

Diana

that God would actually listen to?

The reaction was that the recitation was respectfully done...after which we quietly took our seats and awaited the teacher's next instruction.

I take it James wasn't in the same classes as you.





Shouldn't it be a prayer - New!

by James Denison - 1/22/13 7:57 AM

In Reply to: Wouldn't you just love to see the reactions.... by Josh K

that God would actually listen to?

I guess kids in school back then weren't as outspoken as they are now as grandparents.

You didn't read the post made by Josh mentioning Muslim prayer instead of the only one they're probably thinking of?

and then James response....that I quoted?

Got your blinders on, you don't see James? seems you never see him.

I am blessed.

some teacher was looking to either make trouble or become famous in a twisted sort of way.

As a refresher:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Congress isn't even involved here but, if I read this portion of the amendment correctly, congress can't even pass a law prohibiting prayer in school by those whose choice is to participate. The whole controversy has been shoved aside by just avoiding confrontation. It's still freedom of and not freedom from.

BTW, it would be quite normal and expected that anyone strong of faith would hold fast to it. That's not a weakness, IMO. You might find it annoying but so is tree stump that you can't talk into leaving your yard. You learn to live with it and appreciate it's resolve.

an outdoor recess or sports activity is healthier but a few prefer to remain inside, what should the school policy be regarding who to accommodate?...asked rhetorically, of course as the US Constitution does not apply anymore than it does about prohibiting prayer.

Both require self discipline to keep on track. Both require time and both involve other people. In fact, maintaining good health is actually a part of religion.

In any event, that wasn't my point. It was about making decisions for and or by the majority of people affected so as to not cause justifiable inconvenience or actual harm.

..."kill the infidel" type of prayer. That's what I was referring to, not to any particular belief system. I do remember this Jewish boy Joel in class in elementary school. He'd politely stand but not recite the "Lord's Prayer" even though there was nothing in it that was offensive or particularly "Christian". Nobody made a big deal about it as I recall.

to fight an enemy, interesting.

I do oppose the increasing Federalization of the National Guard, particularly when they are tasked with military (as opposed to disaster relief) duties within the U.S.

The Coast Guard is fine as long as they stick to guarding the coasts - Mark

There were many things that got us(forefathers) to get into an uproar against the King. However, these in turn allowed us to frame our documents to bare witness to that thinking, where we became citizens and NOT subjects. When the dust settled we became a new nation that still chafe from the crown. Thus, another war in 1812 yet again to prove our resolve and more clearly declare ourselves free of foreign rule. As for guns of the 2nd Amendment, this at that time was clearly a reflection of the citizen solider coming to the the aid of fellow countrymen and later a young nation. That we at the ready as it were to proclaim ourselves able to defend from all intrusions, foreign and domestic. A similar ring when taking the oath of becoming a new solider in today's Army. How that bares on recent events is not to be confused by the actions of troubled souls, but to should be underline that the reason to protect the 2nd amendment are still we us and shouldn't be infringed upon. The the road to Hell has always been prepared by those of good intentions. One shouldn't lose sight of that and somehow lessen or weaken what as always been protected by the common citizen and not just the NRA. However, it would be clearly foolish not to protect ourselves from these troubled souls and just enforce the current laws already in the books, aren't there enough already to do just that? -----Willy