Speakeasy forum: Same sex marriage ceremonies begin in Maryland

concerning cross race unions. Seems there can be genetic problems exacerbated, similar to those of inbreeding, where there's a greater genetic separation between two races. Interesting alternate miscegenation approach under Israeli laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldane%27s_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterozygote#Heterozygous

http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Heterozygote_advantage
cross race breeding can lead to greater chance of cancer in the offspring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_heterozygosity
"outbreeding" can create problems just like "inbreeding" creates problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation#Israel
In Israel, all marriages must be approved by religious celebrants, while civil marriages are legally recognized if performed abroad. Rules governing marriage are based on strict religious guidelines of each religion. By Israeli law, authority over all issues related to Judaism in Israel, including marriage, falls under the Orthodox Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Orthodox Judaism is the only form of Judaism recognized by the state, and marriages performed in Israel by non-Orthodox Rabbis are not recognized.The Rabbinate prohibits marriage in Israel of halakhic Jews (i.e. people born to a Jewish mother or Jewish by conversion), whether they are Orthodox Jews or not, to partners who are non-Jewish or who are of Jewish descent that runs through the paternal line (i.e. not Jewish according to halakha).

As a result, in the state of Israel, people of differing religious traditions cannot legally marry someone in another religion and multi-faith couples must leave the country to get married, most often to Central and Northern Greece.The only other option in Israel for the marriage of a halakhic Jew (Orthodox or not) to a non-Jew, or for that matter, a Christian to a non-Christian or Muslim to a non-Muslim, is for one partner to formally convert to the other's religion, be it to Judaism (Orthodox only), a Christian denomination (such as Eastern Orthodox or Maronite) or a denomination of Islam (such as Sunni or Shia).

As for persons with patrilineal Jewish descent (i.e. not recognized as Jewish according to halakha) who wish to marry a halakhic Jew (i.e. born to a Jewish mother or is Jewish by Orthodox conversion) who is Orthodox or otherwise, is also required to formally convert to Judaism (Orthodox only) or they cannot legally marry. According to a Haaretz article "Justice Ministry drafts civil marriage law for 'refuseniks'" 300,000 people, or 150,000 couples, are affected by marriage restrictions based on the partners' disparate religious traditions or non-halakhic Jewish status.

Israeli law concerns itself with miscegenation based on Jewish ethnicity, not miscegenation based on race. Therefore, there are no restrictions on interracial marriages between Jews of different Jewish ethnic divisions, or between other co-religionists of different races, although social stigma may still exist.Many Israeli Jews oppose mixed relationships between Jewish women and Arab men. A 2007 opinion survey found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage is equivalent to "national treason".

they already have them there.

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/082200sci-genetics-race.html says that race only is a very minor (.01%) part of the genetic variation. So it can be considered irrelevant in the context of 'inbreeding' and 'outbreeding', I'd say.

Kees

that are "in prison" to justify a false belief.

Maybe we're not. We have vestigial traits...some exhibiting these more strongly than others. In the animal kingdom, we also read that sexual behavior isn't just for getting jollies but for showing domination or even for purposes of claiming ownership. Every species has it's norms and aberrations, does it not? It's my understanding that such is a tool of the natural selection process. If an aberration provides an advantage over the norm, it can become a genetically dominant characteristic. I'd also think it's possible that a dominant characteristic could end up as a fatal flaw.

I do not have the ability to understand the gay lifestyle or why one is gay. I don't choose how I feel. I can only choose how I react to my feelings. Presuming I am the "normal" one, I cannot understand how sexual preference is a choice. It wasn't for me. Behavior, however, is my choice and I get to accept the outcome of my own choices. It's not my feeling that I should expect others to modify their own feelings or behavior to accommodate me.

you must mean "marriage" as defined by God and mankind, versus perversion, as defined both by mankind and God. You know, I could hammer a square peg into a round hole perhaps, but just accomplishing it, doesn't mean that's where it's supposed to go. Same principle for sodomites.

Why is it that you seem to have suddenly become interested in what happens in Maryland?

to put the evil from among us and He defined what was evil, so that's enough,.

God spoke twice in NT telling those nearby that Christ was his son and to listen to him. Once at his baptism, again at his transfiguration. Christ taught his followers and sent them out to teach others. First time was before his death. Second time was after his resurrection. Christ also spoke directly to Saul, who later was called Paul, on the road to Damascus following Christ ressurection and ascension. The books of the NT were written by those who were taught directly by Christ, or in Paul's case, contacted direct by Christ later on. Same thing in OT with Moses. The people heard his voice and asked instead that Moses deal exclusively with the LORD. They did however get 10 commandments written by God Himself. The rest was given to Moses and he either wrote it down or had a scribe right it down. God is only a "bogey monster" for those who refuse His instructions.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination

There are different words translanted to English as "abomination". Here's some passages using the strongest Hebrew word, transliterated as "Toeba", which is also for homosexuality.

Toeba is also used in Jewish (and Christian Old Testament) scriptures to refer to:

idolatry or idols (Deuteronomy 7:25, Deuteronomy 13:14, Isaiah 44:19)
illicit sex (Ezekiel 16:22,58, Ezekiel 22:11, Ezekiel 33:26)
illicit marriage (Deuteronomy 24:2-4)
male prostitution and (collectively) heterosexual immorality (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 18:27-30, Leviticus 20:13)
temple prostitution (1Kings 14:24)
offerings from the above (Deuteronomy 23:18)
child sacrifice (Jeremiah 32:35)
cross-dressing (Deuteronomy 22:5)
cheating in the market by using rigged weights (Deuteronomy 25:13-19, Proverbs 11:1)
dishonesty (Proverbs 12:22)
dietary violations (Deuteronomy 14:3)
stealing, murder, and adultery, breaking covenants (Jeremiah 7:9,10)
usury, violent robbery, murder, oppressing the poor and needy, etc. (Ezekiel 18:10-13)
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As you can see, nothing good is said of homosexuality, but plenty spoken against.

anywhere Jesus said that homosexuality was wrong?

Diana

Tell me where in the ten commandments or - New!
by Diana Moderator - 1/7/13 11:23 AM
In Reply to: God said by James Denison
anywhere Jesus said that homosexuality was wrong?

Who is greater, the Father or the son? We know what the Father said. We also know Jesus said "they have Moses and the prophets" during his ministry, while he spoke against sins. He didn't have to redefine them all, he gave them credit for having enough sense to know what they already were.

So you are equating homosexuality with child sacrifice


Sounds more like what you're doing in effort to justify it. LOL,

PULL OVER, James...I think you're losing it.



Abominations

by James Denison - 1/4/13 9:30 AM

In Reply to: God said by James Denison

http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination

There are different words translanted to English as "abomination". Here's some passages using the strongest Hebrew word, transliterated as "Toeba", which is also for homosexuality.

Toeba is also used in Jewish (and Christian Old Testament) scriptures to refer to:

idolatry or idols (Deuteronomy 7:25, Deuteronomy 13:14, Isaiah 44:19)
illicit sex (Ezekiel 16:22,58, Ezekiel 22:11, Ezekiel 33:26)
illicit marriage (Deuteronomy 24:2-4)
male prostitution and (collectively) heterosexual immorality (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 18:27-30, Leviticus 20:13)
temple prostitution (1Kings 14:24)
offerings from the above (Deuteronomy 23:18)
child sacrifice (Jeremiah 32:35)

Didn't YOU link homosexuality and child sacrifice in this post made by YOU?

Uh, check the thread, that's Diane trying to tie them all together. I believe each sin falls on it's on demerits.

RE:So you are equating homosexuality with child sacrifice - New!
by JP Bill - 1/7/13 12:00 PM
In Reply to: God said by James Denison
So you are equating homosexuality with child sacrifice