Speakeasy forum: 1 day after Sandy Hook..one good woman with a gun

updated and corrected the story.......too many times websites leave an incorrect version stand.

Figures you wouldn't commend her fast action to stop a mass murder though.............

but none were hit. She did waste 3 bullets...maybe needs remedial marksmanship training? I do believe that if all the bullets in all the wars had taken a life, our planet would have few if any humans remaining.

not that many US solders were able to easily pull the trigger if a human was in their gun sights. They would fire in the general direction of where fire was coming from or enemy was suspected of being. They didn't want to know they'd actually killed someone.

"Hey Bubba! Watch this!.

"An off-duty sheriff's deputy working security then shot the gunman."

Some one hired to be an armed security guard... did their job.

You find this remarkable, how?

There are probably a lot of cops, esp small town ones, that don't get as much training as regularly as they should. But I hope they get more than most private citizens would.

Unless we're willing to foot the bill an require all the volunteers to do a minimum refresher training on a regular basis.

Kahlua.

at least by hearsay, those gun ranges are expensive.

And some are for pistol or shotgun only, can't handle the ricochet of high power rifles, so don't allow any rifles.

Of course, out in the rural areas, people shoot cans in the back yard, on the ground or on a stand. The bad part is sometimes they target shoot without proper precautions for the full potential range of the round nor any safeguards against ricochets.

The really bad part is back yard target shooting often is after a outdoor cookout with alcohol.

what you suggest is part of what I posted about what I'm for..........

Just like the AMA offers subsidized training in the form of motorcycle safety courses.

Oh, and I refuse to recognize any comparison of gun training to drivers ed, or guns to cars for that matter, simply because the sole purpose of a gun is to kill. A car can kill when misused but it is not designed nor intended to be a lethal weapon.

And accept the basic purpose both as you propose, although it was pointed out rather strongly to me at work that rounds used in target practice are an order of magnitude at least more than rounds used in hunting animals and humans.

The point about training was requiring individuals to get and pay for the level of training the police get every year.

And as I noted, courts have long ruled driving is not a right, it's a privilege revokeable at any time by the state, with no right to a hearing first.

So far, while people argue how far it should cover, the right to own guns is still a right legally.
Now as far as gun training vs driving training, I'm not so sure you should be so dogmatically opposed. Surely you see drivers ever day that need retraining? based on how they are driving anyway.

Didn't notice either I guess that elsewhere I point out there are laws against drunk driving, there are not laws specifically against drunk gun use.

I know a lot of people with guns, and most of them don't bother me a bit. Others even though they're not convicted of any crimes make me nervous thinking about a gun in their hands. I've seen more than once guys standing around shooting at cans in a backyard, a piston in one hand and a beer in the other. Not really a good combination, I generally left if and when that started.

But is motorcycle training required now? I'm not sure here, I've had a motorcycle endorsement on my NC drivers license since the 70's and probably it was at least 1980 the last time I owned one and sometime in the 80's the last time I rode one. As long as I pass the standard renewal testing, and pay the fee, I get to keep my motorcycle endorsement.

I don't buy the equating guns and cars. I'm not so sure about training requirements being totally irrelevant. Of course, as far as I know in NC, you're only require to have training for concealed carry. As far as I know I can tote a rifle or shotgun even a pistol openly anywhere without training someone with training can carry concealed. I haven't verified that, but it use to be that way. Theoritically a pistol in a holster outside your clothing is not concealed so the extra requirements don't apply. You do have to get background check for the permit to buy a pistol and the permit to carry concealed is entirely different and additional permit.

The guns people have in their home doesn't bother me much, I'm not going to be breaking in. It's some of the people that have on them all the time that bother me. I'm not even sure I care what kind of gun you have in your house, as long as it stays there, or at least the gun, and the bullets (even when fired) stay inside your property lines.

mostly challeges to things like suspension of your license on being charged with a DUI, no hearing, usually for a few days, then after conviction for a longer time.

Or the suspension for nonpayment of fines I believe has happened in some states too.

Not sure if drivers license is included in the list of privileges, such as business licenses, that can be suspended for being in default of child support.

and not even arguing for self protection armed citizens being trained as well as police. Many should have more training than they do probably at least once. Or at least need more target practice than many ever do. People buy a gun after a rash of home robberies in a neighborhood, or a rash of muggings, then things get better and the gun lays in a nightstand drawer until someone gets hurt with it.

I am doubtful about private armed citizens volunteering to serve as armed guards at school or elsewhere without extensive training.

if teachers or anyone else in the school was going to be allowed to carry, they should have to pass rigorous training in both shooting accuracy and when to shoot and when not to shoot.

However, there is a reason guards in prisions don't normally carry guns inside the cell area itself, it's to keep prisoners from taking them away and using them.