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by: JP Bill December 29, 2012 5:52 AM PST

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Not allowed to purchase firearms?...NO problem

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 5:52 AM

Woman charged in New York firefighter slayings

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - William Spengler raised no alarms in prison for 17 years and for more than a decade afterward. Well-spoken, well-behaved and intelligent, his demeanor was praised by four straight parole boards that nevertheless denied him parole, worried that bludgeoning his 92-year-old grandmother with a hammer showed a violent streak that could explode again.

After his sentence was up in 1996, he stayed out of trouble until 2010, police said Friday. That's when Spengler went to a sporting goods store with a neighbor's daughter, picked out a Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle and a shotgun and had her buy the guns that the convicted felon couldn't legally possess.

On Monday, he used the weapons to ambush firefighters lured to a blaze he set at his house in upstate Webster, killing two people and wounding three others before killing himself.

"She told the seller of these guns, Gander Mountain in Henrietta, N.Y., that she was to be the true owner and buyer of the guns instead of William Spengler," Hochul said. "It is absolutely against federal law to provide any materially false information related to the acquisition of firearms."

No need to look for location of gun owners to steal their weapons.

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see, gun control laws didn't work

by James Denison - 12/29/12 6:03 AM

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That's what we've said all along.


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(NT) And giving them to trained professionals doesn't work either

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 6:10 AM

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so you rather there were none

by Roger NC Moderator - 12/29/12 7:57 AM

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absolutely anonymous gun sales and ownership?


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(NT) Oh, would that work?

by James Denison - 12/29/12 10:44 AM

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(NT) it seems to be implied by some

by Roger NC Moderator - 12/29/12 11:14 AM

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I'd consider some sort of title and registration depending

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 11:23 AM

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on the type of gun purchased.


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I've said before that

by Roger NC Moderator - 12/29/12 12:00 PM

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all guns should have a title just like a vehicle, and when you sell it, the title should be transferred just the same.
Will it take all guns away from bad guys? no, but it won't keep gun owners from owning guns either. I know a lot of the right to own guns is to allow citizens to keep the government in line crowd see gun registration as a precurser to confistication. And if you're afraid of the government taking all weapons away from citizens, that's even logical from that state of mind.
Also, I'm not sure if a convicted felon resides in a residence, there should be any guns allowed there, not even registered to someone else. They can get rid of the guns or guy that is not suppose to have access.
I'd consider taking away the right to own guns from anyone with repeated drug possession, even when not a felony, and from people with repeated DUI's. If you're irresponsible enough to repeatedly get high or to repeatedly drive impaired, you're not responsible enough to trust not to use a gun while impaired.


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I have no problem with requiring safety and proficiency

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 12:27 PM

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training in order to purchase or own a gun for personal protection or hunting on public reserves. I'm not going to hassle a person with a sprawling ranch who carries a weapon on his own property. But if he puts it in the gun rack of his Chevy pickup, drives it into town and leaves it parked at Walmart, he just might be treated differently. I'm sorry to say that but the bad guys have become too many for us to take chances.


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RE: I'm sorry to say that but the bad guys

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 12:46 PM

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I'm sorry to say that but the bad guys have become too many for us to take chances.

Then I guess you're packing heat.


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Just a question that should answer yours.

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 1:00 PM

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If a person called you on the phone and asked if you are happy with your home security system, how would you answer? wink


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If I don't recognize the phone number I don't answer

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 1:10 PM

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and no one I know would ask me that question.


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Your telemarketers must be different from ours.

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 3:34 PM

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Ours are sometimes stupid. You should NEVER discuss the subject with a caller.


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When I said "I don't answer"

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 7:01 PM

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It means "I don't answer the phone", they don't even get a chance to ask me a question.


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Another way to get you hands on a weapon

by JP Bill - 12/29/12 6:08 AM

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Stalking suspect dead after overpowering arresting officer, taking gun, wounding 3

A man who had been arrested for allegedly stalking an ex-girlfriend overpowered an officer inside a police station, grabbed her gun and shot her and two other officers before being killed by police early Friday, authorities said.

All three wounded officers were expected to recover.

Eddie Jones III, 39, of Willingboro, overpowered Officer Ruth Burns inside the station in Gloucester Township, a Philadelphia suburb, police said. He fired at her and two officers who had been in a nearby room and came rushing to aid their colleague. The two officers fired on Jones, killing him.


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(NT) Yep, criminals will always have guns

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 6:20 AM

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