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perhaps there should be an increase in the penality

by Roger NC - 12/29/12 10:11 AM

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of those selling guns without reporting it?

Not just the black market suppliers, but shouldn't everyone selling a gun, hand or long, reported it to some tracking? And that would be more effective on a national level than a state one, accessible to all LEO's.

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A smaller magazine might have helped

by Diana - 12/28/12 10:36 AM

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In the Gabby Gifford shooting, the people were able to tackle him and take the gun away when he stopped to reload the 30 round clip.

Diana

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that's a good point!

by James Denison - 12/28/12 3:21 PM

In Reply to: A smaller magazine might have helped by Diana

Of course a better point would have been served if someone had been armed and shot him. Save injuries and save the cost of a trial, or housing him in the nut house for a long time.

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Right

by Diana - 12/28/12 4:02 PM

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With everyone running around and dodging and ducking, what are the chances that the good guys would have shot a bunch of people shooting at him?

Diana

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(NT) If they were NYC cops it's a certitude.

by James Denison - 12/28/12 5:02 PM

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by JP Bill - 12/28/12 7:26 PM

In Reply to: (NT) If they were NYC cops it's a certitude. by James Denison

So when you said

Of course a better point would have been served if someone had been armed and shot him.

"someone" doesn't mean "anyone", even IF/WHEN they have good intentions.

That's the rub, when it comes to anyone that wants a gun gets a gun....they all don't know what they're doing.

I know your fear of NYC Police shooting skills isn't keeping you out of the big apple.

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That's not what keeps him out of NYC

by Josh K - 12/29/12 7:38 AM

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What keeps him out is that we're all communist homosexual freeloading immoral n****r-lovers.

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What a horrible

by TONI H - 12/29/12 11:29 AM

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statement.........I'm actually ashamed FOR you.

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I think you know....

by Josh K - 12/29/12 2:48 PM

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.....what I was getting at, Toni. He's practically said as much more than once.

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There WERE armed people there, James

by Josh K - 12/29/12 7:37 AM

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They couldn't get off a clean shot. That shooting is unfortunate proof that the NRA "if there had been someone there with a gun" argument is a bunch of BS.

In fact there was armed security at Columbine and at Virginia Tech also. The security guards at Columbine even exchanged fire with Harris and Klebold. LaPierre tried to dismiss that during his Meet the Press interview because it undermines his "let's put armed guards in all the schools" suggestion, but it's true.

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The argument to eliminate assault weapons and/or

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 9:01 AM

In Reply to: There WERE armed people there, James by Josh K

large capacity clips isn't to provide a complete solution but limit the carnage, right? A shooter receiving fire from an armed guard, even if they miss, must certainly be a distraction that accomplishes the same goal.

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(NT) Is one worse or better than the other?

by Roger NC - 12/29/12 11:53 AM

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Just showing where similar logic has been used in

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 12:16 PM

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another instance but the opposing sides will argue for one but against the other.

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Call me crazy, but.....

by Josh K - 12/29/12 2:48 PM

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......I prefer a solution that doesn't involve gunfire breaking out in schools in the first place.

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Which means no one in his right mind

by Steven Haninger - 12/29/12 3:28 PM

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would consider attempting to take a weapon there...in the first place. We don't know what people not of right mind will do.

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Which raises two good points

by Josh K - 12/29/12 5:54 PM

In Reply to: Which means no one in his right mind by Steven Haninger

1. LaPierre's "proposal" would not deter anyone who isn't in their right mind. People like Adam Lanza plan these things with no intention of surviving them. Whether he dies by his own hand or someone else's doesn't seem to matter.

2. People not of right mind can't do anything if they can't get their hands on the guns they'd need to carry these plans out. People in other countries have access to the same video games, violent movies and death metal music that we have, and yet these things mostly happen here. What's different? Guns and the gun mentality.

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teachers

by nyctfl - 12/29/12 6:48 PM

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Those country teacher like Switzerland and Isareal have guns in class to shoot at attackers thats why they don't mess in those schools.

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(NT) Wrong, but thanks for playing

by Josh K - 12/31/12 6:59 AM

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and unless you can require all people to hand in

by Steven Haninger - 12/30/12 2:04 AM

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there guns and are successful in doing so, this will continue to happen. Maybe you'll make it more difficult or the events could be fewer. Is that the direction we should turn?

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Buy-backs have been very successful...

by Josh K - 12/31/12 7:00 AM

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....where they've been tried. Connecticut is running such a program right now. Some states have said that they had to issue IOUs because they ran out of money with all the guns being turned in.

Maybe it's worth trying on a national level.

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In LA, I heard that

by Diana - 12/31/12 7:03 AM

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Ralph's Market is donating the gift cards used in the guy buy back.

Diana

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I heard that two non-functional rocket launchers

by Steven Haninger - 12/31/12 7:23 AM

In Reply to: Buy-backs have been very successful... by Josh K

were turned in for cash in California too. I'd be a bit concerned about how to manage a buy-back program. It should be imperative that ownership be established first. Otherwise, you just might create more thieves. Of course some will think that getting the gun off of the street is of higher priority than whose it is. As you mentioned, money tends to run out for these programs but where does it come from? It will be through the taxpayers, right? This is not a sustainable program unless the sale of weapons on the buy-back list are illegal for purchase. Otherwise, you've just created a windfall for manufacturers. We've had "voluntary" weapons turn in programs in my town. These would go directly to a local foundry to be melted down. All these programs really do is allow citizens who have acquired and kept a gun that's no longer needed or not adequate for protection, to get rid of in a safe manner. Unless these guns are stolen and used in other crimes, they are of no threat.

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I agree

by James Denison - 12/31/12 10:23 AM

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they get a lot of bad useless guns off the market, which means better guns remain for buyers, less passing off junk as a good firearm. Helps remove uncollectible and dangerous to the shooter type guns.

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Maybe at the state level but not at the Federal level

by Diana - 12/28/12 10:38 AM

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Read the starting post on this thread.

Diana

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