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Looks like they've learned a lesson

by Steven Haninger - 12/4/12 12:54 PM

In Reply to: Tea Partiers are in an awkward position. by JP Bill

As I understand it, the Tea Party movement was founded by those who weren't eager to see all that money handed over to the government. Unfortunately, they were beaten back by a larger group of people who were very eager to see even more money handed over to the government...as long as it came out of someone else wallet, that is.

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One of the Dem Senators

by TONI H - 12/4/12 1:54 PM

In Reply to: Looks like they've learned a lesson by Steven Haninger

was on Fox this afternoon and said that the public is of the belief that negotiations are going on behind the scenes and he said that couldn't be further from the truth........there are only five people involved in any of the 'talks'.......Geithner, Boehner, Pelosi, McConnell, and Reid. That's it. Nobody else is allowed to even know about the discussions until one of the bunch comes out to a microphone. That's why members of the Tea Party are upset.........and they aren't the only Republicans ticked off right now.

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Other groups should form

by James Denison - 12/5/12 12:15 PM

In Reply to: One of the Dem Senators by TONI H

Separate from the leaders, create a "caucus" to discuss and address the matter and pressure to bring it onto the floor. That is one way to bypass an intransigence leadership or force him/her to change direction or loose their following.

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It is funny how you have claimed conservatives should...

by grimgraphix - 12/8/12 10:15 AM

In Reply to: Other groups should form by James Denison

... be listened to, because they are a majority with a mandate (at times you have claimed this... you can not deny it)... but now you are advocating a minority to be as obstructionist as they can be so as to hinder or bypass a majority leader.

I think you just enjoy being a stinker.

LOL

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when you find your own group

by James Denison - 12/8/12 12:20 PM

In Reply to: It is funny how you have claimed conservatives should... by grimgraphix

turning their back on you, what other choice do you have? They are no longer "one" with you. Factions within groups have always existed, the Democrats being the biggest example of that.

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Yep.

by Kees_B - 12/8/12 12:30 PM

In Reply to: when you find your own group by James Denison

Indeed, if Boehner finds these people do not agree with the party line, what other choice does he have? They are no longer "one" with him.
Well seen, James!

Kees

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I've said for a long time

by James Denison - 12/8/12 2:04 PM

In Reply to: Yep. by Kees_B

we need another strong third party to shake up the system, bring back some sense.

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Back when McCain and Lieberman both

by Roger NC - 12/8/12 4:00 PM

In Reply to: I've said for a long time by James Denison

were considering a presidental run and got eliminated, I had a bit of a hankering that they would offer themselves as a President/VP package to run on all the different third party tickets that had a place on various state ballots.

They couldn't have won, the election would almost certainly have gone to the House of Representatives and if I remember correctly, that would have been the same results as we obtain with the two party candidates.

Back then the two of them were as near the center of politics as any influential politician has been and I generally prefer moderates over right or left fanatics that seem to be taking over the Republican and Democratic parties.

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In the UK ...

by Kees_B - 12/9/12 3:16 AM

In Reply to: I've said for a long time by James Denison

you see how difficult it is to make a strong third party, especially when (and that's the same in the USA) there isn't proportional representation (that's what Google Translate offers, I hope you understand) but a winner-takes-all in a constituency/district/state.

Needing it is quite different from getting it.

And what would you get in the (very) long run? My guess: a 60% middle party, with 20% for a left party and 20% for a right/conservative party sharing the totally powerless opposition together. I place you in one of those two 20% parties, by the way.

Kees

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(NT) I'm not sure the middle party could get 50% right now

by Roger NC - 12/9/12 7:01 AM

In Reply to: In the UK ... by Kees_B

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Re: middle party

by Kees_B - 12/9/12 7:29 AM

In Reply to: (NT) I'm not sure the middle party could get 50% right now by Roger NC

Then 49% left, 49% right, 2% middle maybe?

Kees

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(NT) 30 30 30? with the rest splinters.

by Roger NC - 12/9/12 8:04 AM

In Reply to: Re: middle party by Kees_B

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Charlie Crist joins the Democrats

RE:the Democrats being the biggest example of that.

by JP Bill - 12/8/12 12:37 PM

In Reply to: when you find your own group by James Denison

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/artur-davis-alabama-republican-national-convention_n_1833816.html

Artur Davis

by TONI H - 12/8/12 12:52 PM

In Reply to: RE:the Democrats being the biggest example of that. by JP Bill

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Yep. good riddance

by James Denison - 12/8/12 2:05 PM

In Reply to: RE:the Democrats being the biggest example of that. by JP Bill

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Charlie.

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You two would get along just fine

by JP Bill - 12/8/12 7:37 PM

In Reply to: Yep. good riddance by James Denison

You don't want him there...and he doesn't want to be there.

You can't fire him...he quit.

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Boehner demoting Republicans who too conservative?

by Roger NC - 12/4/12 3:28 PM

In Reply to: Looks like they've learned a lesson by Steven Haninger

Effective next Congress, leadership pulled Kansas Republican Rep. Tim Huelskamp, Michigan Republican Rep. Justin Amash and Arizona Republican Rep. David Schweikert off committees from which they could exert conservative pressure on fiscal matters. Amash and Huelskamp were pulled from the Budget Committee and Schweikert from the Financial Services Committee.

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form their own unofficial "committees"

by James Denison - 12/5/12 12:16 PM

In Reply to: Boehner demoting Republicans who too conservative? by Roger NC

and raise some hell, scare the heck out of both leadership groups. Others will start to gravitate to them.

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RE: form their own unofficial "committees"

by JP Bill - 12/6/12 11:42 AM

In Reply to: form their own unofficial "committees" by James Denison

and raise some hell, scare the heck out of both leadership groups

BOO!

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Maybe, or they may bring on a different view

by Roger NC - 12/8/12 10:25 AM

In Reply to: form their own unofficial "committees" by James Denison

too opposite too many, and they'll be outlandish, perhaps even become viewed with suspicion as being subversive, cultish.

You tell enough people they are completely wrong, only you are right, and you're going to force everyone to agree with you, and you'll just as likely to end being viewed as dangerous as viewed as the salvation.

Even worse, you may end up believing you have to force others to agree, no matter how. That never goes over well for long.

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hmmmmmm

by TONI H - 12/8/12 11:47 AM

In Reply to: Maybe, or they may bring on a different view by Roger NC

>>>Even worse, you may end up believing you have to force others to agree, no matter how. That never goes over well for long.<<<<

seems to work for BO

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Re: not for long

by Kees_B - 12/8/12 11:51 AM

In Reply to: hmmmmmm by TONI H

Probably for 8 years (only 4 more).

Kees

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(NT) nothing is certain

by James Denison - 12/8/12 2:06 PM

In Reply to: Re: not for long by Kees_B

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don't see how it's going well

by Roger NC - 12/8/12 12:40 PM

In Reply to: hmmmmmm by TONI H

since everyone in Washington is totally self absorbed and self righteous, everyone else suffers.

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