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Who's feelings about what happened matter most?

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 5:45 AM

In Reply to: What by JP Bill

Yours or the miners?

This could sound like some typical spiel designed to convince someone that they were exploited although they never expressed it themselves. Those who were their count. You impression does not.

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RE: Those who were their count. You impression does not.

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 5:53 AM

In Reply to: Who's feelings about what happened matter most? by Steven Haninger

You're typing faster than you're thinking?

Did I say something to make you do that?

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Do you agree with

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 5:47 AM

In Reply to: I live here and do see the actual ads by Steven Haninger

an employer telling employees that attendance at a political event of HIS choice is "mandatory" and the employee will not be paid for attending?

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We'd need to look at the law in that regard

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 6:08 AM

In Reply to: Do you agree with by JP Bill

We have laws as to what is compensatory and what is not. Employees in most segments do have mandatory requirements for which they are not compensated. I would be against breaking the law. If no law would have been broken, I could have no complaint.

The representative of the mine expressed that the decisions were based on the best interests of the company and that means their jobs...all of them. So here's a question for you. Which of the two candidates appeared to be the one most likely to threaten the jobs of these coal miners?

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You have to look at a law to see what you agree with?

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 7:34 AM

In Reply to: We'd need to look at the law in that regard by Steven Haninger

So much for you being an independent thinker.

We have laws as to what is compensatory and what is not.

Forget the compensatory part

an employer telling employees that attendance at a political event of HIS choice is "mandatory"

How bout the mandatory part?

You WILL attend the rally and you WILL enjoy yourself!

haha.......... Romney lost.

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(NT) I guess my question of you will go unanswered

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 11:43 AM

In Reply to: You have to look at a law to see what you agree with? by JP Bill

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I asked a question

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 12:05 PM

In Reply to: (NT) I guess my question of you will go unanswered by Steven Haninger

Do you agree with an employer telling employees that attendance at a political event of HIS choice is "mandatory" and the employee will not be paid for attending?

Your response was

"We'd need to look at the law in that regard"

Have you had a chance to look at the law yet?

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Here's what I looked at

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 12:52 PM

In Reply to: I asked a question by JP Bill

I listened to the entire 20 minute radio interview and watched the entire (approximately 12 minute) video the mine employees made. Did you do the same....watch and listen to the complete presentations? Here's my answer to your question now. I am very comfortable with the explanation the mine representative. He did indicate that supervisors could/did say that attendance was mandatory but that no one forced to go. Being that the mine would be closed for that time, no one would be working or paid. While I can understand that some would not be happy, the mine ownership can make that decision. I can live with that. That's my answer.

After viewing the response from the miners, it's clear to me that the media flack was uncalled for and falsely represented...in a big way. The miners sounded as though they were honored to be there and did enjoy themselves...mandatory or not.

Now who do you think these miners should have supported if keeping their jobs was important to them? Obama or Romney? Which one of them was a threat?

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RE: He did indicate that supervisors could/did say

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 1:10 PM

In Reply to: Here's what I looked at by Steven Haninger

He did indicate that supervisors could/did say that attendance was mandatory

That's what you heard? "could/did say"?

NO...I read that "attendance was mandatory", and the company official didn't deny he said that, And that was enough for me, thank you very much.

IF he wants to shut the mine down so he can have a carnival in the parking lot, with a bunch of Republican clowns....GO FOR IT!

Don't tell me attendance is "mandatory", and there will be no consequences if you don't attend.

I guess the miners had the last laff....they ate his food, drank his soda pop and voted for Obama.

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Once again, JP Bill, I'll ask YOU to answer MY question

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 1:53 PM

In Reply to: RE: He did indicate that supervisors could/did say by JP Bill

Care to do so? It's not mandatory. I can't force you or threaten to fire you.

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RE: I can't force you or threaten to fire you.

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 2:11 PM

In Reply to: Once again, JP Bill, I'll ask YOU to answer MY question by Steven Haninger

You can't force me...you could, but it would be difficult to prove you didn't.

You can't threaten to fire me "because I don't attend"

That's not quite right...You won't threaten to fire me "because I don't attend".

That doesn't mean you can't "fire me" and say I had to laid off people because "Obama was elected President."

Now who do you think these miners should have supported if keeping their jobs was important to them? Obama or Romney? Which one of them was a threat?

Can you tell what people "should have done" BEFORE the universe has unfolded?

Like I've already said when I saw 'mandatory" they lost MY vote. So IF I was a miner...Obama.

Which one of them was a threat?...Romney.

Are you happy?

Can YOU tell the future?

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(NT) Thank you

by Steven Haninger - 11/15/12 2:20 PM

In Reply to: RE: I can't force you or threaten to fire you. by JP Bill

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(NT) RE: Thank you...You're welcome

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 2:54 PM

In Reply to: RE: I can't force you or threaten to fire you. by JP Bill

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Great source, Toni. no bias there! just Purest horse manure.

by Ziks511 - 11/15/12 6:27 AM

In Reply to: Fishy Ohio Voting? by TONI H

There was conspicuous fraud in the 2000 election in Florida particularly including the prevention of a legal re-count, and conspicuous contradictions between the Voting Machines supplied by Diebold and the State Chairman of the Re Elect Bush Campaign who was its CEO, and the exit polling, There were also major irregularities in Ohio with the machines afterwards.

If there's a problem with the Ohio vote, check with Tagg Romney, Mitt's eldest son, who owns and controls the Voting Machines which were used in Ohio this election.

And are you suggesting that the 3 million plus vote majority that Obama scored over Romney is in question? If it's not, then Ohio is probably right.

More Right Wing Conspiracy Fakery and Toni heckling.

Rob

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Bite me, Rob

by TONI H - 11/15/12 7:37 AM

In Reply to: Great source, Toni. no bias there! just Purest horse manure. by Ziks511

The Toledo News now is on your hotlist of unreliable sources? Good grief. Evidently you only believe in the HugBO Post and MSNBC as credible sources now.

And I've already proved that Tagg doesn't own those machines, so why keep perpetuating that lie? If you say if often enough, you must think the rest of the world will eventually believe it. I believe 'somebody' in history said that.

A 2% win is a win, of course.......it's just not a mandate.

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RE: Bite me, Rob

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 8:08 AM

In Reply to: Bite me, Rob by TONI H

Fighting out of the Red corner, weighting in at 110 lbs?

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It doesn't have to be a mandate

by Josh K - 11/15/12 9:10 AM

In Reply to: Bite me, Rob by TONI H

He still won, and other than you and your rather desperate friends, nobody is questioning the legitimacy of the win.

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But aren't you enjoying it?

by James Denison - 11/15/12 9:15 AM

In Reply to: It doesn't have to be a mandate by Josh K

You certainly did enough of it following the Bush-Gore election. Wearing our shoes now?

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Completely different situation

by Josh K - 11/15/12 9:22 AM

In Reply to: But aren't you enjoying it? by James Denison

Imagine if Gore had ended up winning that election with help from an "impartial" Secretary of State who also happened to be his campaign manager.

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Oh, I see

by James Denison - 11/15/12 9:38 AM

In Reply to: Completely different situation by Josh K

Obama's supporter's corruption is OK, because...well....he's Obama and can do no wrong, but any unsubstantiated charges during that other election is ALL BUSH'S FAULT that Gore lost. What a bunch of hypocrites. Splitting hairs.

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You keep forgetting

by TONI H - 11/15/12 9:18 AM

In Reply to: It doesn't have to be a mandate by Josh K

I have not questioned the legitimacy of the win........I question the methods used by him since he needed to get Chicago dirty in order to get that win because he had nothing in four years that he was willing to brag about, including his two-year battle to get Obamacare passed which took threats and bribes to get it over the finish line and even lies to his own Senate Dems. Please get some new material since slam me with because your statements, although repetitive aren't true. I do not like that he won, I will continue to rant against him for the next four years, and I will wait to say "I told you so".

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You haven't questioned the legitimacy of the win?

by Josh K - 11/15/12 9:20 AM

In Reply to: You keep forgetting by TONI H

That was the premise of your original post. The linked article is about supposed fraud.

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there's a difference between

by James Denison - 11/15/12 9:23 AM

In Reply to: You haven't questioned the legitimacy of the win? by Josh K

officially legitimized and honest. What's questioned is the vote in some precincts in areas known in past for fraud and voter intimidation.

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I didn't write the article

by TONI H - 11/15/12 9:25 AM

In Reply to: You haven't questioned the legitimacy of the win? by Josh K

I only posted what an Ohio newspaper found in their research of the results in various precincts within its state. I also didn't write the headline, nor did I use it as my subject line. I only stated that the results were bizarre.......do you agree that they are?

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RE: I only stated that the results were bizarre.

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 9:40 AM

In Reply to: I didn't write the article by TONI H

NO...you hinted it was 'fishy"

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tossing out red herrings?

by James Denison - 11/15/12 9:49 AM

In Reply to: RE: I only stated that the results were bizarre. by JP Bill

now it's fishy for sure

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I don't know if it was red herrings,

by JP Bill - 11/15/12 10:04 AM

In Reply to: tossing out red herrings? by James Denison

TonI thought it was "Fishy Ohio Voting"

TonY thought is smelled more like dead tuna that's been in the sun.

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No...I posted with a question mark

by TONI H - 11/15/12 12:09 PM

In Reply to: I don't know if it was red herrings, by JP Bill

If I had used a period or an exclamation point, I would have been making a statement.

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Right, you posted that article....

by Josh K - 11/15/12 10:58 AM

In Reply to: I didn't write the article by TONI H

.....because you DON'T believe what it says.

Ay yi yi, the old "I only posted it; that doesn't mean I agreed with it" backpedal attempt.

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I don't need to backpedal

by TONI H - 11/15/12 12:10 PM

In Reply to: Right, you posted that article.... by Josh K

You need to actually look at the topic line........it has a question mark........it's not my statement, it's my question. How YOU interpret punctuation is YOUR problem. I said it's bizarre......don't you agree?

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