Speakeasy forum: Seems that the liberals here

Read again about my poll experience. I expressed nothing of what you mentioned. I made observations only which you appear to have embellished with your own endings. I did mention my heritage and that 1/2 of my family was from the British Isles. They were pre-Revolutionary war and heavy in Scots-Irish blood. The other 1/2 came as indentured servants from Czechoslovakia in the later 1800s. I'm not black, Hispanic, female or gay. That's who he went for most. If folks vote based on what's in it for them, what did he say that should be attractive to folks like me? Nada.

My experience is that the conservative side expects you to make the decision to come to them. You need to put forth some effort. The liberal side is the opposite. They come to you. You need to do nothing other than nod "yes".

I saw this during my early voting experience. If I wanted a Democrat ballot template, there were people walking up to me offering them. If I wanted a Republican template, I had to walk to a literature table outside of their van. That would be too much effort for some people to make. I took the middle ground and used what was in my head after personal study.

I tried my best to use my virtual blinders and walk straight to the door but had two people walk straight into my path. Both had "Vote Democratic" shirts.

All I said was "no thanks" to their question as to whether or not I'd like a democratic (or Democratic) sample ballot.

Links provided upon request.

virtual blinders.....but had two people walk straight into my path

You take "kindly" to that do you?

blinders?...Why do people put them on...something in the area they "don't want to see"?

didn't take kindly to being approached.

BANG!!!!!!!!

The rest of your response...Twist and Shout.

In case you can't

What you've posted sums up why the GOP got hosed. It was that the GOP wanted so much to divide US itself that provided whatever the Dems seems to levereage and get the vote out. It was about 'us and them" but more about the typical avg. guy vs. anything the GOP wanted to consider was part of their side. They locked themselves out of it. Until, they realize they MUST be part of the overall face of America and not some extreme will it work for them.

My commects are reflected quite well by the GOP punpunits themselves and while they hang onto anything they deem is critial to thier views they find it NOT wide enough to counf anyone else shares the same acroos middle America. I leave it at that, because i reall care of the will of the people and not the will of those in back rooms. -----Willy

.....painting the other side of the aisle as anti-American, or suggesting that Romney wanted to be president because he hates America (however that's supposed to work). That's all coming from your side, Toni.

......against the massive volumes of "he hates America!" vitriol coming from the Right any day of the week, Toni.

And who said Republicans accused Romney of hating America? I said NOBODY has done that.

It's the drive of a Prez to get things noticed, but it still takes Congress and the Senate to pass anything. It's then up to the Prez. to pass or veto the bill. No matter how it falls, the working of the govt. falls far more on the legislative side than anything executive. All those tax cuts are going bacl to what they were or practically the same before they got changed. It's back to norm, and it maybe better to lose $2k, than maybe $5k or like that. I don't anyone can fault the Prez in "these times: to correct or stop what was garnered in the past 8yrs. before his 1st term. that was one heck of a mess but it got stopped and still needs work. I wish it was better, but at least i got a roof over my head. ------Willy

Nearly everyone I know in my age bracket started off during the VietNam years as liberals out to 'change the world' and 'don't trust anybody over 30' attitudes of the 60's.......once they DID turn 30, married, homeowner, jobs, and kids of their own, people mellow and see the world entirely differently and reflect on how badly we were turning OUR world in a direction that really wasn't good when you compare it to other countries. We were changing into our own third-world country. It happens so slowly that isn't obvious until you all of a sudden realize you can't even have a disaster like Sandy anymore and trust your neighbor to not loot your house while you're out getting gas for a generator and take your stuff, including the copper plumbing that hasn't been damaged. Becoming a conservative is something that comes with wisdom, open eyes, life experience, and a desire for better lives for your children and you stop thinking just about yourself and worry for your country and what it's being turned into. Liberalism is what kids are until they grow up...which is why so many of them vote Democrat and switch a few years later. They are now taught to have their hands out to big government and embrace it instead of rebel against it like they did during the 60's, they are taught to scream 'child abuse' when they get swatted for stealing from the store, they are taught that family values don't mean much anymore because the government will be there for them instead of parents, they are taught that it's okay to take from somebody else in order to line their own pockets, they are taught that being on the dole pays better than a job, etc. And these teachings are handed down from one generation to another.....when it's what you grow up with and it's all you know, you keep that going and if a Republican comes along and tells them they can actually have more if they work for it, you would think they were looking at a three-headed monster. The message from the Conservative is correct.......we just have to do a better job at getting that message out and that will take time. It's like sending a drug addict to rehab and making it stick instead of having the patient relapse over and over. Long-term bad habits are hard to break........but it can be done.

back to the 60's idea of only have two kids replace the parents.

Although in real life three probably would still lower population growth, since there will always be some with no kids.

level the playing field for white Christian Americans. Read up on the eugenic beliefs of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan and no matter how much one believes in survival of the fittest, if enough red haired blue people moved to Denmark in 15 years and reproduced rapidly for cultural or religious reasons, and kept bringing the rest of their families to Denmark because the weather there was healthier for red headed blue people, one would eventually see the ethnic tipping point heading for Denmark. Well, it's already arrived in America and James is right about how conservatives can turn this all around, by having and rearing more conservative children. The right better think twice before shutting Planned Parenthood down because the results of that might be a huge surge of red headed blue people and the ethnic tipping point will become a political Titanic.

located and how far to the last down? Perhaps I am being obtuse, but my point is simple. While hispanics and African-Americans are reproducing at rates much higher than the white population, and while the GOP's long-cherished conservative white and right base is dying off, the profile of the electorate is growing further out of balance. Taking Planned Parenthood off the table seems counterproductive to any efforts to bring that balance back. Producing more children who grow up in liberal Democratic or Independant family units of any configuration hastens the demise of the Republican Party. IMO

The questions is, "Does one do what they feel is right even when it's not convenient?" I can substitute a number of words or phrases for the ending words of that thought but the question is one of personal selfishness. Too many consider their own comfort as being all that drives their own decision making, IMO. That's the primary reason people elect to use contraceptives or have abortions. Unwanted children don't hurt just those who bear them but other people who wind up paying for their care. One who shows disapproval for preventing or disposing of pregnancies must accept that they will bear some additional cost and responsibility for adhering to their beliefs. They are the less selfish, IMO.

the poster suggested that the Christian right stimulates contraception and abortions to limit the growing left/black/hispanic/not-really-American part of the population, so support and subsidize Planned Parenthood in stead of opposing to it.

Only contraception and abortions in the left/black/hispaning/not-really-American part of the population, of course. Not in the Christian right part.

Kees