Speakeasy forum: "Heckuva job Brownie" says Obama acted too quickly on Sandy

that liberals will never remember that it was the NO Mayor and the LA Governor who never requested the Fed help in the first place.......the Feds, contrary to popular liberal rag opinion, are not allowed to go in until the State requests that. BO HAS jumped the gun by planting the Feds ahead of time and usurped the Governors' authority...but he's always been noted for being the 'hero' in his own mind....including now with his statement that he commanded help for the Libya murdered, that evidently was ignored by his own underlings.

At the time what took place down there was hashed over pretty well right here at Speakeasy. Mayor Nagen and Gov. Blanco blew that one and the lib's blamed Bush and Brown, unjustifiably so. IMO

I do, however, give Obama credit on Sandy. He simply did what a president should do and nothing more and that is more than he's done in the past four years.

He didn't "plant the Feds ahead of time." He was proactive, reaching out to the governors of the states in the storm's path to let them know that the federal government was prepared and ready to help. Only you (and, apparently, Michael Brown) could spin that as a negative.

I'm in the middle of it, Toni. We need federal help. The region is devastated. Even Chris Christie, one of Romney's strongest supporters, is praising the president's responsiveness. I know it might kill you but you could try too, just this once.

Yesterday on TV I saw a reporter trying to get Romney to stand behind his previous statements that FEMA should be abolished and its functions privatized. He pretended not to hear the question.

of legislation dealing with Incidents of National Security has to a great degree superceded the legislation around FEMA which has proved to be awkward and nearly unusable, though with a real administrator in charge instead of a political drone, FEMA could have done much better.

There are now so many overlapping layers of Emergency Management, that one of them was bound to go, and given FEMA's disastrous performance in New Orleans, the choice was obvious.

You should learn to read your Buddy Bush's legislation a little better Toni, then you wouldn't go off half cocked.

Rob

NOT Bush. Thank you.

He's been told that time and again. He just doesn't care. Law is secondary to Liberals.

which is the same thing. Additionally, new powers from legislation following 9/11 allows the Feds to act on their own if any one of 4 things applies, only one is a request from the Governor, 3 others are the Fed's call.

See longer post below

Rob

talked here about Hurricane Katrina, that I'm going to do the work for you, particularly since you all seem so abysmally badly informed regarding Emergency Response.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/whitehouse/katrina/katrina-lesns-chap2.pdf

"However, the specific triggers for the National Response Plan and its various components are unclear. In HSPD-5,
the President instructed the Secretary of Homeland Security to coordinate the Federal government's resources
utilized in response to or recovery from terrorist attacks, major disasters, or other emergencies if and when any one of the following four conditions applies:

"(1) A Federal department or agency acting under its own authority has requested the
assistance of the Secretary;
"(2) The resources of State and local authorities are overwhelmed and Federal assistance
has been requested by the appropriate State and local authorities;
"(3) More than one Federal department or agency has become substantially involved in
responding to the incident; or
"(4) The Secretary has been directed to assume responsibility for managing the domestic
incident by the President.43
The NRP bases the definition of Incidents of National Significance (INS) "on situations related to" these HSPD-5
criteria.44

You will note there are three cases for intervention , Two dependent on the Secretary of Homeland Security, and one on the involvement of more than one Federal agency responding to the incident.

The Governor or local authorities are only 1/4 of the possibilities. All of this new response criteria post 9/11 were fully in place months before the start of Hurricane Katr

"With respect to Hurricane Katrina, when the Secretary of Homeland Security formally declared the event to be an INS on Tuesday, August 30, 2005, arguably an INS already existed, because two of the four HSPD-5 criteria noted above had already been satisfied." So, Duh, why no help. I know Georgie boy was in Las Vegas playing golf and collecting money, but the process should have gone ahead no matter what. INS, Issue of National Security.

From your favourite debunking site, Snopes. com

"Claim: Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco refused President Bush's pleas to declare an emergency before Hurricane Katrina struck.

"Status: False"

This is followed by an example of false reporting via e-mail tinted blue. What is contained in the blue box is false and so is the 3 paragraph segment below deriving entirely from the Bush White House.

"The claim that "the President declared the area a national disaster area before Louisiana did" appears to be based on an erroneous statement made by a Bush administration official, as reported in the Washington Post."

"Behind the senes a power struggle emerged as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Governor Katheen Babineaux Blanco. Shortly before midnight Friday 26 August, the Bush administration sent her a proposed Legal memorandum asking her to request a Federal Takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state emegency operations centre said Saturday.

"The (Bush) Administration sought unified control over all local polide and state National guard Units reporting to the Governor, ... [rejected] "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals they then could have blamed everything on the locals said the source who does not have the authority to speak publicly."
All misinformation, disinformation, lies and Bush "facts" released to the lapdog press.

Well that blaming of local authorities certainly is what has happened anyway, with true Bushites (shouldn't there be two lls in there?) like Toni repeating the lie over and over and over again.

"A senior Administration Official (Federal) said Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Gurad units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the President, the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans."

Now that's what the Feds were feeding the Washington Post through this period of inaction, but:

"In fact, Governor Blanco had already declared a state of emergency for the state of Louisiana eith days earlier *August 26. The Washington Post was later forced to issue a correction to their article,"

So, while agreeing that it was poorly handled, it was poorly handled by the level of government with all the authority, including signed States of Emergency from the relevant people, Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin.

The delays in the arrival of equipment, helicopters food supplies and evacuation was all at the door of the Bush Administration and FEMA. Statements to the contrary are contradicted by documents, news reports and Statements during the Hearings following Katrina. Note the people in charge from Aug26 on were President Bush, the Secretary of Homeland Security and FEMA.

Bush Blew It, and the whole Administration Knew It. Hence the lies the inaccurate briefings and the cover ups, and "Let's blame the locals, they're only #@%!ing Democrats anyway."

So put it to rest Toni. As with all your other screeds it doesn't stand up even to Snopes, let alone deeper investigation.

Rob

Deliberately??? Also, remember this was being put together in 2004 and wasn't completely set up in 2005 when Katrina struck. Hey, thanks for showing us where we could justify the appropriate steps Bush was taking in handing the Katrina situation!!!

==============================
In March 2004, the Secretary of Homeland Security approved the NIMS and sent a
memorandum to officials at all levels of the government asking for continued cooperation and assistance in further
developing and implementing the NIMS.

The concept of unified command is both more important and more complicated when local,
State, and Federal commanders are required to coordinate their efforts. ICS clarifies reporting relationships and
eliminates confusion caused by multiple, and potentially conflicting, directions and actions. The National Response
Plan requires senior officials from multiple levels of government to come together at a single location to establish a
common set of objectives and a single incident plan. This group, referred to as the "Unified Command," provides
for and enables joint decisions on objectives, strategies, plans, priorities, and public communications.34
The National Response Plan
Adopted by the Federal government in December 2004, the NRP is an all-hazards plan that establishes a single,
comprehensive framework for managing domestic incidents across all levels of government and across a spectrum
of activities that includes prevention, preparedness, response, and recovery.35

The NRP is based on a number of fundamental precepts. Consistent with the traditions and customs that have
developed under American federalism, the NRP is built on the premise that incidents are generally handled at the
lowest jurisdictional level possible. Local authorities provide the initial response capabilities to every incident,
including man-made and natural disasters, and when overwhelmed, request assistance from neighboring
jurisdictions. When incidents are of such a magnitude that these resources are overwhelmed, resources are
requested from the State, which draws on its own internal emergency response capabilities or requests assistance
from neighboring States through mutual-aid agreements. Many large and devastating events are handled this way
without any Federal assistance.

When Federal response assistance is required, the NRP employs a systematic and
coordinated approach to incident management at the field, regional, and Federal agency headquarters levels,
establishing protocols for such activities as reporting incidents, issuing alerts and notification, coordinating response
actions, and mobilizing resources. Though the NRP generally seeks to preserve the primary role of State and local
bodies as first responders, it does recognize some events will be so catastrophic that they will require a greater
proactive Federal government response (as discussed in further detail in the "Planning a Proactive Federal
Response" section of this chapter). However, while the NRP recognized the need for a proactive Federal response
in a catastrophe, no final plan has been put in place to make this operational.

in the Situation Room with his people monitoring Sandy. What I would like to know is why the hell wasn't he in 7 hours of Benghazi Situation Room, or any of it?

in spite of "But do keep asking pointless questions. Your bias becomes clearer and clearer and your "Question" is meaningless." your insulting answer which is basically wrong, he ignored we have forces around the world in different areas and quite a few near Libya whose job and training is specifically designed for rescue missions such as the one Obama failed to initiate.

What kind of time frame are you talking about...from start to finish?

From the time everything is peaceful(Before the demonstration) until the mortar fire on the annex 1 1/2 miles away from the consulate.

3...4 hours?

that you had no control over the outcome?

Lucky for the NE, he was able command Sandy from the Situation Room

Not THAT difficult......He IS the Messiah after all.