Speakeasy forum: I am the 47% (and you probably are too)

last year, and had to pay $300 in tax.

Google search Who pays taxes in America.

That nice Ezra Klein Wonk Blog from the Washington Post in 2011, indicates that individuals receiving 10,000 or less pay very little tax, but that those receiving between 10 and 20 thousand are on the hook for 20%. Gee why don't they use Mitt Romney's tax lawyer. 13.6% for 10 years according to his accountant, and 14.1 last year. Of course, we only have his accountant's word for it since the actual forms are still a deep dark secret. But would an accountant lie??? Heavens to bedsheets, No!!!! Look at Enron, or Lehman Brothers or Goldman Sachs or, or, or.

Rob

as to who was included. He said of these "everyone". That's not true. Many still do. But most of those who are receiving benefits such as are included in his government dependents list already paid a substantial sum toward those benefits. It was their money being returned to them and nothing that was free. That was my point.

There is no qualifying the reason of why someone is on welfare. People either take responsibility for themselves... or they are a leach upon society.

The only question I might have about this subject is... how bad does it suck to find out the republican presidential candidates father was dependent upon entitlement programs and still managed to not become the stereotype that all conservatives think everyone who is on welfare will become?

......but Mitt Romney has said that HE does.

Everyone who gets any kind of government assistance, whether it's Medicare, VA benefits, Social Security, any of it, is unwilling to take any personal responsibility, expects the government to take care of his/her every want, considers him/herself to be a victim, and voted for Obama in '08.

He also said, "So my job is not to worry about those people, I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Not only did he insult veterans, seniors, the disabled and the working poor, he insulted a sizable portion of his own base, being that (despite what he appears to think) many of those who don't pay federal income taxes are Republicans who did NOT vote for Obama in '08.

At this point the only way Obama can lose is if someone finds footage of him marching around the White House in a German SS uniform.

.....as people unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives.

I guess we can give him a pass on not knowing that people receiving VA benefits are in that 47%, being that neither he nor any of his healthy, adult children have served.

You sure hate the guy. You know, there are folks who aren't disappointed when their least favorite candidates slip. They relish in that even more than when their favorites hit a homer. It's a mean world so let's be careful out there

And to answer your question about did I read the poll that supports my supposition? I don't need a poll... all I need to do is watch the MSM otherwise known as Fox News. All I have to do is read every one of Toni's posts which mention the word "entitlement". All I have to do is watch republicans on the campaign trail. All I have to do is re-read the news coverage and commentary during and after Hurricane Katrina.

Are you trying to suggest that I shouldn't take these people at their word? That their collective and extensive comments that "people need to take responsibility for themselves rather than depend on the government for assistance" actually meant something else?

Come on Steven. You're one of the few people whose comments I have respect for, but this asking for a poll is just disingenuous.

... that combines the search words "Toni" and "entitlements"?

How about a google search for "conservative + entitlement" ?

Of course, if you want to talk about sweeping generalizations then we should also address things like "generational welfare families" or "entitlement mentality" or many of the other cliches that are also linked to key word searches involving "conservative myths".

How about a discussion of the conservative movement to get rid of Social Security in favor of stock market investment? Yeah, that would have worked out well for the nation back in 08. Think about how getting rid of that entitlement program would have impacted todays election?(here is a link to an article that calls SS an entitlement program just to confirm that at least some conservatives call it that despite the fact we pay into it)

Do you want me to go on and keep citing the obvious before you will concede, or do you want me to keep jumping thru hoops at your bequest?

oh, and to correct my word usage before a grammar nazi does...

* behest

Probably not in your eyes... but in reality.

You swallowed a load of Liberal published codswallop. He was pointing out that pushing lower taxes had no appeal to those who aren't paying any taxes to begin with. Everything else is just Liberal slop being handed out to the gullible to choke on.