Speakeasy forum: Higgs-Boson particle - what it means

invented by a journalist. It will take me quite a time to absorb, and to even half understand this. How I miss Nathan.

Rob

of, Lawrencium and the like, are measured in milli and micro-seconds. Magnetic container or no, they'll decay into stuff we've already got.

This is criticism of whichever Administration cancelled the Super-conducting Super-collider in Texas, but the US could have found this out earlier if that had been allowed to be built. I think the tunnel is still there, maybe there should be a re-think on equipping it. Hard science may bring us solutions to any number of problems, as the Space Race did. I haven't heard an actual figure, but I'd say the Moon Race had paid for itself in computers and fabrics and other things, not to mention knowledge.

I can't claim it will be cheap, but neither was the activity of the Banks and Investment Houses, and that was just for the benefit of a few extremely wealthy individuals. The S^2C^2 (that's S squared C squared) could result in benefits for everyone, though not tomorrow, or next year, or possibly even next decade. But eventually. Imagine just dropping your little magnetic bottle into the cartridge container of your car and driving for a month, or a year, or even more. It would have to be affordable, but it would be very neat.

Rob

that old Flux Capacitor ?

Of the four known fundimental fources, there is a known particle associated with each. A "carrier". The Higgs field is a highly speculative thing in and of it's self. Just because we have no other explantion of what gives rise to mass, doesn't mean that Higgs is right.

It will be just as interesting if this new thing doesn't fit, as if it does. Maybe more so.

God seems determined to remain hidden. He has given us the tools to carry on the hunt. But just the slightest descreptency will take us back to the drawing board.

Who can tell me whether the Higgs field explains both of the properties of mass? Gravity and inertia. Seems to me they need seperate explanations. ???

PBS TV is showing via NOVA program what the fabric of the universe is. It's being explained and often it also shows the possibility of "back and forth" of the time arrow. That all physics today explains the total breakdown from the big bang is "all about disorder" due to entropy. They try to explain it by the breaking of full wine glass. You can see that happening, but you'll probably never see it going "backwards" back into a full glass of wine again. They touch on much of what has become the "standard model". They further try to make sense of it and the likelihood of the unseemly of it all as well, because it can be possible. Here, I understand but they lose me for lack of trying to see behind the mirror sorta thing. It's a good pgm. to watch and explains or fulfills pulling it all together for me what I've been trying to understand.

It has allowed me to try to propose why the universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate. This observation has show the universe is expanding and pulling away from each other will sooner or later be at the speed of light. However, it has also been shown that at one time we were going much slower and got to a point, that it then simply started to speed-up. Here, I propose that at this magic point, was the lost of gravity at it greatest overall effect(to come together) for the entire universe. Gravity is still working but can't hold on to the total universe as it expands, it's not that gravity has lost strength but full-blown expanding universe effect.

Why? It is because the leading edge of the bubble that is the universe is at a ideal perfect form. That what is behind this edge/boundary is all that is physics, it's actually being made on the spot. Ahead of this, there is no physics, so nothing is there a "real nothing". It doesn't lose any steam going out and the tug of gravity is not lost, no it is still in effect, DRAGGING the rest of the universe with it. However, the universe is getting bigger so the gravity of the "big crunch" can't happen as it flying away from that magic point that gravity could overtake the big bang energy rushing out has passed, now only forever expanding until we would be the lonely gaxaly in some time in the future. It would become a less starry night and what we see as stars are local to us and further away lights are galaxies having the energy to be seen afar. Also, it should become much colder as a whole to the universe. All that mass would be stretched unto infinity until we have only particles or if you like smaller string theory matter being the only substance around as we cool down and stretched till the end. adios -----Willy

The Fabric of the Cosmos
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fabric-of-cosmos.html

We've been wondering about the nature of the nothingness, out of which everything came, for a long time. Obviously it wasn't nothing. The only logicaly thought is that more came out than what was originaly there. It's the whole "broken symmetry" idea. For time to have be created, anti-time must have happened too, and flown off, unaccessable to us to abserve. The same with matter and anti-matter. They must have been around in equal amounts at one time.

It was 10 lbs of potatoes in a 5 lb bag. Something had to give. This chrystalized form of energy that we are all made of, kind'a fell out as ash. There's no reason for us to think that the much bigger things didn't make their own compromises and just flew away.

There's a very logical idea that different bubbles in the big bang condenced and gave it all up at different times.

Well, I see where they try from other sources explain that "we" as matter is nothing more than "globs" or clusters of matter that appeared out of the big bang once we started to cool down. That what are galaxies and all matter is the coalescence into lumps in space. Everything else is space, though not empty is still far smaller than a star or a meteorite for that comparison. That a time before the big bang everything was at a "unified state" and maybe the only time it ever was. How, it broke down and thus became the big bang, where everything starts its beginning. Time is said to exist before that, maybe not, as it needs an arrow to be, thus the beginning. It will never go back to a "big bang bubble", all that energy and substance is now out of the bag as it were. Further, it will need something more than gravity to bring it all back, something else has to exist for gravity to try to reclaim and thus return to a "big crunch" venue of things to come. So far, that doesn't seem to be the case, the expanding universe reigns. We would have to go back to 13.7B yrs. ago and see the event to be 100% sure, even with logical assumption and current observations, there is still alot or discovered. Its too much for a people of earth to think they can come to such conclusions and to do that from our point in space. maybe in another area of space, it appears quite different or allows different thinking to arise to suggest yet other conclusions. if we somehow collaborate it all, that would be a marvelous work.

Which is why the known 4 forces/fields to possibility make-up the unified theory are weak and strong force, plus nuclear force and gravity. So far, the CERN Higgs-Boson experiment was to allow us the opportunity to see where matter could under all these forces actually become the primary building block of matter, the seed if you will. That they need each other in some necessary way to allow it all to start. Wow, what a thought ------Willy

a guide, which is why I was mourning yet again the death of Nathan Isgur, a physicist whom I knew here, who died 2 years after he was appointed to head the Jefferson Lab in Virginia. He did his PhD here in Toronto, and worked at the University of Toronto and at Oxford and at CERN and then here again until he was hired to run the Jefferson Lab. He began showing symptoms of Multiple Myeloma about 4 months after he and Karin moved down to Williamsburg, Va. She's still there, even though I keep begging her to come back here. She and he were both very special people whom I miss greatly.

I remember hearing about Physicists discussing this stuff, and one dismissing a theory as "not weird enough to be correct." Even Physicists have trouble getting their heads around this stuff.

Rob

It's astonishing how many make a tremendously large living on selling their knowledge of Gog's intentions.

It's not that I don't belive in a creator, after all. It's just that these sellers of morality have no more idea of his nature or intentions than I do. They sell "the Gog Shaped Hole". And tell a story that excludes the tools we're given to really figure it out.

They fight the prossesscess of science. Science does not fight them. It's athoriitarinism. It's the slightest advantage over everybody else. It's the diliberate complication of the rules for the sake of driving fear into the "lesser" of us as to whether we stand to lose all we have. And handing more and more advantage to the privaleged.

in taxes on the money their money makes. And us pay 35% on the money that labor makes? Gog shaped hole? Give me a break! What of: "All men created equal..."?

We (and our children) are paying interest on the debt that thier tax cuts caused. Who are we paying this interest to? To the rich. They own the debt.

SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!

interest of science. It's hard to do a double blind test of God. He/She is either there or not there everywhere. You can't have God in this study and not in the other study.

It's a question of faith and scientists don't deal in faith in their work.

Diana

Diana, you gonna burn! (since Dragon has gone underground.)

Nope, just the opposite. He doesn't give us much on science, but on the important stuff- life and death- he's very open.
Amos 3:6, If a horn is blown in a city, do not also the people themselves tremble? If a calamity occurs in the city, is it not also Jehovah who has acted? For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
Later,
John 1:18, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him. [written years after the death of Jesus]
About 1500 pages in most editions, but worth the time.