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when the government is paying the bill...they will be able to dictate what the administrative costs will be.

Charge what you want...THIS is what we'll pay.

The government can't do anything about it...

Suppose someone did bring a class action suit...IF they win...the loss would be passed on as Administrative Costs........The system works....

You might as well get used to it....

Get on with your life, don't loose any sleep over it, go out in your garden and pull some weeds/Democrats.

Usually it's ...If it bleeds...it leads.

Of course, anyone that writes for The National Enquirer knows what gets peoples attention.

...typical Liberal tactics to go places they aren't wanted to create problems. I wish they'd go Occupy a garbage can or dumpster somewhere for lunch time. Just a new term for "carpetbagging". Busybodies who can't stop sticking noses into everyone else's business, until someone bloodies one of those noses, then listen to them squeal.

is an individual's right to pursue his dreams for himself....it doesn't say it's a GOVERNMENT'S right to provide it all for him, Rob. And that also doesn't include an Education. Mandatory education up to the 12th grade became a State Government thing.....and when they didn't have enough money to do it all, the Feds created the Dept of Education in order to dump money into the states. That particular Dept has now become a monster all by itself and should be disbanded completely and have the States again regain that 'control'.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ Please take note of the third sentence, second paragraph.

http://jpfo.org/your10rights/pdf-doc/bortext.pdf Please take note of Amendments IX and X

Liberals believe that society can change and should change, and that things can be improved, even by the government. Conservatives believe that society will inevitably only get worse and that therefore there should be no tinkering with things as they are, and governments are incapable of doing anything right (as if Private Enterprise did).

In the 19th Century when people said what they meant, it was about not wanting to have to deal with all those poor people cluttering up the cities and the countryside. There's a quotation in Dicken's A Christmas Carol that says just that. "Best they be about it (Dying) and thereby reduce the surplus population." The inhumanity and failure of that point of view is what the book is about. Also try Hard Times also by Charles Dickens. Both are among his shortest works.

There's an article on the Harper's site about teaching the Humanities English History, Logic etc to the extremely poor in 1997 at the Clemente Centre in New York
http://www.harpers.org/archive/1997/09/0074349
I found it very moving, and I found it powerful that the guiding principle was stated by a 30 something woman prisoner, who had somehow lifted herself intellectually out of the trap of poverty even though she was still incarcerated.

""There's something missing," she said, leaning back in her chair, taking on an air of superiority.

The drive had been long, the day was hot, the air in the room was dead and damp.
""Oh, yeah," I said, "and what's that?"

"Plato's Allegory of the Cave. How can you teach philosophy
to poor people without the Allegory of the Cave? The ghetto is the cave.
Education is the light. Poor people can understand that."

Improvements were seen in the lives of 50% of the students which is roughly how many were able to complete the course. Some of them received Scholarships to study at Bard College.

Rob

It starts when you're always afraid/Step out of line and The Man takes you to jail.", or the Republican equivalent, a Black President, Illegal Immigrants not shot on sight at the Border, and the wealthy being taxed at the same percentage rate as the Middle Class.

Buffalo Springfield: For What It's Worth. written by Stephen Stills following the Police action on the Sunset Strip.

Rob

Because you don't like it?

......that there is a lot of racism going on with regard to this president. Birthers, people accusing him of being a Muslim, going around waving signs that show him in war paint and a bone through his nose, a recent mock lynching by the same preacher who wanted to burn the Koran, the continuous insistence that he only got to be editor of the Harvard Law Review by way of affirmative action (which is impossible, by the way), it goes on and on.

And maybe "shooting illegals on sight at the border" is an exaggeration, but not by much.

The Conservatives have started fighting back, but it's not the corrupted inborn nature that the Liberals seem to suffer from.

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/01/09/christie-fires-back-at-romney-hecklers-ann-coulter-is-right/

"After protestors interrupted his rally on Sunday, Mitt Romney got help from an ally who doesn't mind going toe-to-toe with demonstrators - New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

After a handful of "Christie kills jobs!" chants could be heard rippling through the jam-packed Exeter High School gym, the famously combative Christie immediately retorted, "Really? You know, something may go down tonight, but it ain't gonna be jobs, sweetheart."

"If she wasn't so blinded by her Barack Obama-induced anger," he shouted, referencing the heckler, "she'd know that American jobs are coming back when Mitt Romney is the next president of the United States, and if she wasn't so disorientated by the loss of hope and change, she'd understand that Mitt Romney is the hope for America's future!"

"See, beware — this is a warning, this is a cautionary tale to be inspired by someone who has built a life that America can be proud of, not by a Chicago ward politician," he said. "I doubt he is, but I hope the president's watching. I have a message for you, Mr. President: This is the type of disoriented anger your cynicism and your division is causing in our country. Bring our country together — stop dividing it, Mr. President."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/romney-demurs-in-campaign-heckling-war-with-obama/

trying to figure out what keeps happening to all the white miners, and where the black ones are coming from. He sees the miners go in white, but all he ever sees coming out are the black ones. Soon he'll appoint an expensive committee to investigate this.

That's a typo for "elected President"?

And, yes, the world you grew up in (including the USA) has changed and will continue to change. Do you really want to go back to 1961 (the time of Mad Men: http://www.amctv.com/shows/mad-men)?

Kees

1673 more days, Jan 20, 2017

And James thought Conservatives needed "training" to be jerks.

Like referring to the President as monarch/king?