Steve Jobs told Obama "you got one term only"
by James Denison - 4/5/12 1:48 AM
Soon we'll know if he was right. I remember Josh being all upset when Jobs said that a couple years ago. I'd almost forgotten it till just now.
by: James Denison April 5, 2012 1:48 AM PDT
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Do you think Jobs knew
he wouldn't be around to see if his prediction would come true?
how sick you really are?
He wanted to waste (and that's the correct word) even one minute of the last years of his life ranting about Obama.
WHAT A WASTE!!!!
You must be thinking of someone else. I never knew about this until just now.
(NT) sorry, I thought we'd discussed it before
Let's face it
Steve Jobs is probably dead because he refused to face things he didn't want to - like Obama being re-elected or that he had cancer. He figured if he ignored it, it would go away.
he sought alternative therapy. Considering how many don't survive under the conventional therapy, I don't find that so strange. My mother had pancreatic cancer and survived. She had the operation same as him. At my urging she refused radiation and chemo, I think same as he. She never had a recurrence, seems they got it all and she lived another 16 years, dying from a stroke instead.
That was a mistake
Amri went on to say that, even after entering conventional medical care, the Apple CEO seemed to eschew the most practical forms of treatment. Addressing the period when Jobs began to visibly shed weight, Amri wrote, "it seems that even during this recurrent phase, Mr. Jobs opted to dedicate his time to Apple as the disease progressed, instead of opting for chemotherapy or any other conventional treatment."
From this piece, it would seem Jobs was coaching Obama
I don't know the site or how much is trustworthy but it would seem that Steve Jobs was trying to be helpful to the president as he'd apparently given huge sums to the DNC prior to Obama's election.
(NT) Hell,, even BO said he'd be one term
I guess he's changed his mind
Isn't the first time he's done that.
Finish the sentence, Toni
He said he'd be a one-term president if the stimulus failed.
Guess what, it didn't.
Maybe you should contact the writer of the article
and let him know that he failed to mention that the president's stimulus packages were responsible for the upturn. Glad you caught his omission.
The stimulus packages kept them afloat....
by Josh K - 4/5/12 8:06 AM
In Reply to: Maybe you should contact the writer of the article by Steven Haninger
.....which enabled them to turn things around.
FWIW I opposed the auto company bailouts but there's no arguing with the fact that they worked.
Unfortunately, this is one of those things that
cannot be proven or dis-proven. Even the article mentions that
"A return to the boom years of 17 million annual sales, however, will not happen any time soon."
and I don't recall any stimulus being introduced to bring those years about. While it's good news for now and no reason to look for a black cloud, I think it would be wrong to consider that the auto industry wouldn't rebound on its own. Anyone could just as easily say that the problems they were bailed out of were probably at least partially caused by government interference and policy. If such is true, we can't take pride in fixing what we broke ourselves.
I think their problems boiled down....
.....to the fact that their cars were inferior in quality to the top imports. When I was a car owner I would have loved to buy American, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice reliability to do it.
The only US car maker that didn't need the bailouts was Ford, which was also the only one that was able to compete with the Japanese in terms of reliability.
That's why I opposed the bailouts -- if they had been building better cars and not constantly cutting corners in order to save a few bucks, they wouldn't have gotten into so much trouble.
I believe you are exactly correct
The Detroit iron was, by Japanese and German standards, junk. It's too bad because the first offerings from Japan were not that good. Their selling point was that they were inexpensive and easy on fuel. Their bodies rusted worse than the American cars but people loved them anyway. The VW bug was one of the first to capture the US manufacturers with their pants down. It was inexpensive and of reasonable quality in fit and finish. While American manufacturer's were busy making cars to beat each other in drag races from traffic light to traffic light, the bug overtook them in the sales rooms. The Japanese went to work improving their steel paint and corrosion protection and their cars now outlasted the payment books. American manufacturers were more interested in developing ad campaigns than quality vehicles. They may be doing better now but it takes time to build a good reputation. It will take years of proven performance in the area of quality to make them dominant again.
A friend of mine.....
.....had been an American car owner for years, then went and bought a Mitsubishi. He was going on about what a great car it was and then he showed me one reason he felt that way. He took me out to the car and popped the hood.
"You see all these rivets?" (holding the top and bottom pieces of hood together). The rivets were only a couple of inches apart, running the perimeter of the hood. "American cars have the rivets further apart, so they don't have to use as many of them. It saves them a few bucks but it makes the hood feel flimsy. This hood is rock-solid."
That's just one example. Sit inside a Toyota and look at the workmanship. Then sit in a Chevy. The differences are obvious.
Interesting you mentioned Toyota and Chevy
The Corolla and Chevy Geo Prism were supposed to be essentially the same cars coming off the same lines in California. Why I see so few old Prisms and so many old Corollas still around is a mystery. The Prisms I do see don't appear to have worn as well as the Corollas either. I suppose this could be a product of who buys what brand. Of course my evaluation is only subjective but I suspect there were different standards of quality applied when the line shifted from one brand to the other when these were made. Perhaps our resident Toyota guy has more insight on this one.
Ah yes Steve,the NUMMI cars..such fond memories...lol.....
New United Motor Manufacturing Inc.
No matter what you hear,there was a lot of static getting UAW workers to adapt to Toyota management practices.Toyota was and is non union,I suspect alot of UAW people were peed off and didn't try their best?
Body wise,the Prizm/Corolla are virtually identical with minor cosmetic differences and I have never seen body problems on the NUMMI Corollas.I have no idea what Josh's friend was talking about,Toyota spot welds everything on their bodies.
I've only seen a few Prizms but lots of NUMMI Corollas and the only major problems either one had were electrical problems related to the charging system.If you get a good one,they are both good,solid cars and give many years of service.
To the best of my memory,Toyota supplied the engine /trans/body and contracted American suppliers for brakes,rotors,tires,etc.
The engine electrical harness was made by GM.The Prizm got a Delco radio,Toyota got a Denso/Panasonic radio I believe.Both cars however got a Delco alternator and that was both cars' charging problem.
At that point in time,the alternators GM supplied were outsourced to Mexico and the result was abject garbage! To make myself clear,All NUMMI Corollas/Prizms have Delco alternators that are junk!
Toyota solved the problem on the Corolla by supplying a Japanese Denso alternator with a harness pigtail that matched the Delco plug on the car's harness.We did a simple swap and the cars were fixed!
I could go on but I think you get the idea
Well, about all that can mean is that
by Steven Haninger - 4/6/12 3:54 PM
folks looking for quality but who wanted to buy American bought Prisms thinking they were just cheaper Corollas which would last forever without taking care of them. Those who paid slightly more for the Toyota brand were more inclined to give them a due bit maintenance and maybe even wash them once in a while. Hence the difference in condition after 10 or so years.
will he be a one term
if the Supremes toss out Obamacare?
Now that is an interesting question
Since it was a central part of his 2008 campaign, the Republicans can make hay out of the fact that it got tossed (if it does). On the other hand, the Republicans have been running on a platform of repealing it, so if that gets done for them then that's one less issue for them to run on.
A lot may depend on how the Administration responds if it gets tossed.
Actually he didn't, Josh
He said "If I don't get this done, (no referral to the stimulous) it will be a one-term proposition." At the end of this video is also a flashback to August 2011 where he's stepping back on that and begging for more time. He's pathetic now but a prophet during the first part of this video.
And by "this," he meant.....
.....getting the economy moving in the right direction, and the stimulus was a first step towards that. If you look at the figures, things ARE better. Not great, not as good as they were before the crash of '08, but better than they were when he took office. In fact unemployment numbers just released showed the lowest number of new claims in around 4 years. The stock market just had one of its best quarters ever. The big 3 US automakers are succeeding again.
Whether you like it or not (and I'm sure you won't admit it anyway), things are improving.
Hope this posts in the right place this time
If you think the economy is better, you haven't been to a grocery store lately.
Stimulous didn't work........none of the money went to infrastructure like it was 'going to go to shovel ready jobs', instead quite a bit of it went to green garbage that has failed miserably, including the Chevy Volt that is losing to Toyota by a huge margin.
As for the new unemployment claims....have you even considered the possibility that so many jobs have been lost that have never come back that there are very few companies LEFT making those layoffs fewer in numbers? There are still large companies (Oprah's OWN is one of them) that are laying off and those numbers will be showing up soon.
The stock market is always jumping up and down based on what's happening overseas....it means absolutely nothing.
Nothing is moving in the right direction and the majority of the people in the USA polled reflects that.
What would your ideas be to get
the economy going? You have been quick to critize everything Obama has done. What is your magic bullet?
don't utter Obama and bullet in the same sentence. We don't need another undeserving martyr. Knock on wood.
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