Speakeasy forum: Steve Jobs told Obama "you got one term only"

A couple of my posts have once again jumped to incorrect spots for some reason. Sorryyyyy Same thing happened in this thread with my post of "He'll have a lot of trouble".....that was again posted to Josh.

don't reflect utilities and food.....and both are through the roof .... and Bush's last year in office saw a massive decline in the prices of both of those.

during Bush's last year in office was due to the fact that he opened up drilling in Alaska, both oceans coasts and the Gulf......which BO has closed and he is single-handedly responsible for.

Prices go down you complain?

What do you do when prices don't move? Complain about stagflation?

Actually the drop in home values benefited me by means of lower property taxes. It will benefit my older children in the coming several years as they search for homes to buy.

Every cloud has a silver lining?

I was explaining to Toni why it happened.

that rent has increased over 3.5% vs home value decreased by nearly or more than that amount in the last year. Although it's cheaper now for people to buy, nobody can get a loan. And home values will be decreasing even more because now that the banks have settled the lawsuit over faulty paperwork for foreclosures, forcing foreclosures to halt for a while, they are going to start back up again in numbers almost equal to what they were before.

The economy is NOT better, Josh.

Republicans have been running your banking system in the US for a lot longer than Obama has been around, that's why your economy is where it's at now. I'm not a socialist, I believe in free enterprise, but I also believe in a fair system for all. I also believe in expanding a business and hiring more people to help improve the economy. I certainly want my employees to earn there money but also I want us together to move ahead and ALL succeed. At least the Democrats can grasp that. Republicans only want one thing, your money, on your back. That means one thing, the US equity gap will continue to grow.

The economy in the US didn't tank overnight with Obama, it was from many years before of fiscal mismanagement in Government and big business. There is also the fact the World affairs have been increasingly turbulent since 911, with Iraq, Afghanistan and the Arab Spring. I think Obama has done a fine job since being in office. He inherited so many problems and what I see has done well.

I've watched the clown show Republican primaries and haven't observed one of them that can hold a candle to Obama.

I'd think that the amount of house one can buy should depend less on the payments and more on the total cost. This means not only the purchase price but the cost of utilities, repairs, remodeling needs, etc. Just because interest rates are lower does not necessarily mean they should go out and buy a bigger or more expensive house. I'd think it better to make sure the house accommodates the family adequately, is in a suitable neighborhood and close enough to where they usually need to travel so those expenses can be kept low. Anyone who thinks that payments alone determine what they can afford is asking for trouble. That hasn't changed.

started to go downhill during the Clinton Administration......although it would be hard to find a Democrat/liberal who would admit to that since there was supposedly a 'surplus' when he left office (which really wasn't a surplus at all). Clinton's Administration was being pushed into getting everyone into a home no matter what their circumstances because the liberals believed in the "American Dream" that even if they couldn't afford one, everyone should have one. So everybody got their home......then during the Bush Administration, you had Dodd and Frank (who was in 'charge' of Freddie and Fannie) telling everyone that both of those entities were stable and in great shape when in fact they were already in the toilet. The housing situation was in a massive bubble that they just couldn't admit to. Then you had Geithner in charge of overseeing Wall Street who didn't sound the warning bell that THAT entity was in trouble.

These were all Democrats in charge of it all and hiding it quite nicely......blame Bush all you want, but it was the Democratically controlled Congress that shot this country in the foot, not the Republicans, because they were in charge for the last six years when the house of cards began collapsing. The Republicans dropped the ball during Clinton because they didn't see the housing bubble that was being created....every Republican admits that....but the Democrats have made matters worse and have no intention of fixing anything because they are perfectly happy going down that same ruinous path.

.....the way you rewrite history to your liking.

The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress for six of the 8 years Bush was president, and six of the 8 years Clinton was president. That's 12 straight years they had control, Toni. I don't know where you got the idea that the Democrats controlled Congress for the last six years of Bush's presidency. They retook the House and Senate in 2006, not 2002.

It's amazing how the blame for the current economy begins with Bill Clinton, completely leaps over George W. Bush and then lands on Barack Obama. That's quite a feat.

I see you're back to saying it was too easy to get a mortgage in those days, so I assume you're no longer complaining that it's too hard to get one now.

Will that be a better solution than voting?

Where does it ever end????

The Democrats being perfectly happy with the economy going downhill. The main reason if Obama loses the coming election will be the economy (and Mitt Romney saying he'll do it better due to his business experiences).

So deliberately making matters worse and being perfectly happy with it, implies being happy with that consequence. Electorally speaking, it would be suicide.

Are you sure about the Democrats being so stupid?

Kees