Speakeasy forum: Why is there never a mention

and got a great deal of useful information plus condoms, and I wasn't the only guy there. I just don't have any statistics to back it up. This was in 1966 she got a diaphragm and a prescription for the Pill, we'd been going out for 2 years at that point.

Rob

I went there with my first girlfriend, and I wasn't the only guy there either.

"A diaphragm instead of a ring, a clinic instead of a church, that says love to me, honey!"

if men's services are also provide, why was Viagra able to get coverage by insurance companies (men who lobbied for it????) and get ranked by the FDA as a 'medicine' in order to get that coverage when it's available on the cheap through 'health clinics'? Could it possibly have been because it's too embarrassing an issue for them to take to a public clinic?

NO...not for the man...the men don't want to embarrass their wives.

Even Ms. Fluke noted as much in her address. I'm fairly certain that most of these drugs can be delivered right to your door in plain packaging...to paying customers, anyway. I also suspect the packaging doesn't fool the letter carriers.

sent out monthly catalogs to subscribers. We didn't get them but I always knew the day they came out. Our mail arrived much later that day.

and I don't know why. I keep telling my wife that "Victoria" couldn't really have any "secrets" left, probably for anyone.

considered a disease or a symptom of the treatment for one of several diseases or ailments like the use of SSRI Anti-Depressants, most Blood pressure medication, Diabetes, Age and various other things. Now, in the past, the medical establishment has been overwhelmingly Male. Now that Women Doctors are becoming more numerous, perhaps a hint of reason will enter the realm of prescription, not that it will make much difference with Insurers which are overwhelmingly Male owned, managed, and run.

And if the changes wrought by Age is considered a valid reason for a prescription, why is Youth and Fertility not considered a valid reason for Prescription. There are numerous complications to Pregnancy, besides it perhaps not occurring at a financially manageable time. Equally there are numerous internal conditions for women for which the BCP is the treatment of choice, leaving aside Birth Control altogether. Shame Dr. Bill isn't around to consult on this.

The other element to this is that sexual pleasure is a gift from God, and should be revered as such. The fact that some people misuse it shouldn't eliminate the ability of the vast majority to enjoy it, to space their pregnancies in a financially reasonable and mangeable fashion. Even priests in the Catholic church have been known to advance this argument.

It's not covered by my wife's insurance plan (I take both SSRI's and BP meds) and as a pensioner it's too expensive for me at present. I am hoping that eventually I will be able to afford it.

Rob

Why only men? Can't women enjoy the use by their husband?

Kees

....since he takes it.

how many Catholic insurance companies are paying for that in Canada?

Canadian Catholic?...American Catholic?...

You are Catholic first.... last...... always?

Everything else is secondary.

Religion supersedes everything..

The Canadian health care system is much different, with health care provincially administered, said Catholic Health Alliance of Canada executive director James Roche. Catholic hospitals and other health care institutions have entered into agreements with the provincial government so that they are not forced to perform abortions, sterilizations, in vitro fertilization or other procedures that are contrary to Catholic teachings, he said, stressing that in Canada no Catholic institution can be compelled to do things contrary to its mission and values.

But as hospitals specialize and amalgamate, Catholic institutions might end up sending someone to another institution for care the Catholic facility does not provide, he said.

While American bishops oppose the imposition of mandates to provide insurance for contraception, Canada's single-payer medicare system already makes taxpayers — Catholic and non-Catholic alike — fund abortion on demand, even if Catholic hospitals are not forced to perform them.

Catholic Religion DOES supercede government mandates. Cool

Catholic Religion DOES supersede government mandates. Cool

in the 1940s, health care was not nearly as complex. Then the ethical guidelines for Catholic hospitals fit into a six-page booklet. Now they are 1,000 pages, he said.

in Canada no Catholic institution can be compelled to do things contrary to its mission and values.

But as hospitals specialize and amalgamate, Catholic institutions might end up sending someone to another institution for care the Catholic facility does not provide, he said.

Catholic and non-Catholic alike — fund abortion on demand, even if Catholic hospitals are not forced to perform them.

Have Catholics (Catholic hospital insurance companies) fund abortion without performing them...Isn't that what Obama is trying to do?

You say in Canada Religion supersedes Government and Obama trying to do the same in the US you say it's the Government TRYING TO supersede religion.

you're TRYING TO mess with my head.

>>>Catholic institutions might end up sending someone to another institution for care the Catholic facility does not provide>>>

Might is the key word here...and it seems that it would take a government overreach of their authority to force them into it, just as BO has attempted to do with HIS healthcare program. I suspect that the Catholic church in Canada would fight that there just as they are fighting it here.

>>>Catholic and non-Catholic alike — fund abortion on demand, even if Catholic hospitals are not forced to perform them. >>>> We would be forced to do that via the mandate of Obamacare just as we do now with our tax money being paid to fund PP whether we support it or not. We have no choice in the matter at this point.

>>>Have Catholics (Catholic hospital insurance companies) fund abortion without performing them...Isn't that what Obama is trying to do?>>> Yes, and that's what the Catholic religion is fighting them against. We have a Constitution that won't allow it.

>>>Catholic and non-Catholic alike — fund abortion on demand, even if Catholic hospitals are not forced to perform them. >>>>

We would be forced to do that via the mandate of Obamacare just as we do now with our tax money being paid to fund PP whether we support it or not. We have no choice in the matter at this point.

Like I said...you think it's "Cool" in Canada..YET when Obama wants to do the same (You just made that statement) You're crying.

So, Which is it...is it "COOL" Or is it "crying time again/still"?

I know...I know...It's CRYING TIME.

YOUR government is NOT mandating that the Catholic church go against their belief and pay for birth control/abortions. BO IS mandating that via the insurance directive to supply it for free....even IF the Catholic church is self-insured thus forcing them to pay for the service because they pay the insurance premiums.

As for the PP funding...that is a separate issue and we, as taxpayers, have no say so in how our taxes are used or abused.

I think you are confused over what our government is TRYING to do compared to what your government HAS done. YOUR government has compromised with the Catholic religion in the correct direction....OUR government is attempting to overreach/overrule our Constitutional 1st Amendment with a mandate.

YOUR words

We would be forced to do that

You're confused over what I said........explain what you mean, since I said it as plainly as I could. If OUR government wins, the Catholic religion would be forced into going against their belief. With YOUR government, the Catholic religion has already won that battle, if there ever even was one, by being exempt.

It's like a game in which what you say must be negated by what he says so his world can be balanced in his own mind. It's the "Contrary Bill Game Show".

YOU said

With YOUR government, the Catholic religion has already won

You think they won?

Catholics in Canada pay taxes...the taxes pay for healthcare....PP and BC and abortions are paid for by healthcare.

WHAT did they win?

WHAT are they "exempt from" that you wouldn't be "exempt from"?

Your response only needs to be 2 sentences...2 questions=2 statements

KISS...Keep It Simple S