Speakeasy forum: Get ready for an expensive trip to the grocery store.

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2007/04/10/news/news534.txt

The story has been the same here.

Then there are all of the products made with milk.

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Of course, Diana, after corn is used to make ethanol, the left over substance is quite valuable as an animal feed. It's called "distillers dried grains with solubles" or DDGS.
An interesting statement about this substance from a web site about it says "What is the nutrient analysis of DDGS?
A rule of thumb for the nutrient analysis of DDGS is that it is approximately three times the nutrient analysis of corn.".
Here's a link to that site: http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_12.html

we should produce and eat. Then, we'll live long, healthy lives and enjoy our freedom to the fullest.

All you mentioned will be attributed to the cost of any delivered goods. I have such costs myself when I ask the local supplier for me what if any will fertilizer cost my corn being delivered, plus the delivery itself. So far, because of the yrs. being with and close relationship it has been minimal, but never-the-less part of the overall cost, so far I haven't passed on that cost. There are other goods that get delivered and a "surcharge" is placed no matter what amount I get. It should get lower and replaced but it hasn't. So some suppliers I do refrain from buying from until essential. Even then, I may strike a deal as to what can be had or whatever to better the costs as I'm a small store owner it doesn't hurt to ask. I may go and get it myself as the surcharge plus doing other buying while in the area and immediate return pays for itself or makes it worthwhile. Too bad, that I have to really nickel and dime myself as such to maintain a certain cost level to my customers as they expect it. But, the day will come for an overall price increase on some products we make.

small business -----Willy

Ethanol can be made from a variety of plants. In Brazil, where ethanol is in wide use it is made from sugar cane, which is far nore efficient a source than corn. The corn lobby in the US is pushing the corn/ethanol connection for all its worth, for obvious reasons.

It's a matter of identifying and planting them.

IF ethanol is deemed to be worth the hassle. I'm not sure it is.

Ethanol can be made from potatoes, beets, all kinds of other things. The point is that corn is not the most efficient crop to use by a long shot.

Personally I think this is much more about selling more corn and jacking the price up than rational energy policy.

is not an efficient fuel. As of now it takes more energy to produce than it yields. The only reason it can be considered an efficient energy source at all is because it is subsidized by the government.

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Although Pimentel advocates the use of burning biomass to produce thermal energy (to heat homes, for example), he deplores the use of biomass for liquid fuel. "The government spends more than $3 billion a year to subsidize ethanol production when it does not provide a net energy balance or gain, is not a renewable energy source or an economical fuel. Further, its production and use contribute to air, water and soil pollution and global warming," Pimentel says. He points out that the vast majority of the subsidies do not go to farmers but to large ethanol-producing corporations.

So the whole thing is suspect, at least as the technology stands now.

TANSTAAFL

what kind of engine will it ruin in? C an you use it in an unmodified gasoline engine as most US cars now have, or a modified gas engine, or perhaps a diesel? Or does a new kind of engine have to be produced?

These are all things that influence whether it's a usable idea or just another blind alley, as corn-derived ethanol is turning out to be.

Also, what's the deal with emissions?