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Not the whole story?
by MarkFlax 
- 3/22/12 1:07 PM
In Reply to: Use Metro or else by TWB404
I read on beyond the headline.
"In Windows 8, the Metro interface (the new Start Screen and Metro apps) will have three different "zoom" levels: 100%, which represents a 11.6-inch 1366x768 (112 PPI) display; 140%, which represents a 11.6-inch 1920x1080 (190 PPI) full HD display; and 180%, which represents a 11.6-inch 2560x1440 (253 PPI) WQHD display. Almost every desktop monitor falls into the 100% category (a 27-inch 2560x1440 display is only 109 PPI), while many laptops and tablets will use the 140 and 180% zoom. The Building Windows 8 blog post doesn't mention the Desktop side of things at all, so it looks like it will be stuck with its current, crummy zoom controls."
"In effect, Windows 8 will be doing exactly what iOS has to do when scaling up original iPhone and iPad apps for the iPhone 4 or iPad 3 with a Retina display. There is one fairly sizable difference, though: With the Apple devices, because of the fixed aspect ratio and screen sizes, the image simply has to be doubled in size (scaled 200%). This is easy to do and has no risk of causing any graphical anomalies. Windows 8 doesn't have it so easy: If you scale a 32x32-pixel icon by 140%, you end up with 44.8x44.8 - which then has to be rounded up or down to 44 or 45. It's the same story for 180%."
{My highlight and underlining}
So I'm guessing, without having tried Windows 8 yet, that 'Desktop' users will see little difference unless they need to "Zoom" the display. What do you see with your tests?
Mark
Who, me
by TWB404 - 3/23/12 7:21 AM
In Reply to: Not the whole story? by MarkFlax
I have not downloaded the beta version yet. I did try the pre beta or as I like to call it the alpha version just to experience the touch oriented Metro screen with a mouse. I think you already know my opinion on that.
I do think that you made my point with you last statement.
" So I'm guessing, without having tried Windows 8 yet, that 'Desktop' users will see little difference unless they need to "Zoom" the display. "
I see this as M$ rigging it so that Metro appears to be better then the desktop. I do not have any facts to back it up but I think people use zoom more then you think. Viewing videos and pictures in full screen mode would benefit from this technology. M$ is making it clear how they feel about people using the desktop and not Metro by not making this available for desktop users.
about Metro and the screen. It isn't about Screen Resolution, (pixel density), and from what I read Desktop users won't see any difference.
The article you linked to is talking about "Pixel Sizes", which apparently vary across tablets and such.
Here's another link which may explain that more;
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/03/microsoft-readying-windows-8-for-resolutionary-tablets.ars
Mark
Well Geeeeez Mark
by TWB404 - 3/23/12 2:48 PM
In Reply to: I think you're missing the point by MarkFlax
Not only did I have to go back and reread the article I posted but I have to read your article to. Bob doesn't make me work this hard. lol
I understand it is about the pixels. If I am interpreting the article that I posted correctly, the Win 8 Metro for desktop, laptops will have this feature too, not just the tablets version of Win 8 Metro. My point is that this feature could, would improve the desktop experience, and it makes me suspicious that M$ is not going to have it for both.
To say to a user that they can only have a feature if your using Metro and not have in when using desktop reminds me of one of the very first comments I read about Win 8. The commenter stated that this new OS from M$ was going to be a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde that you would either love or hate it. At the time I just thought it was a funny joke. Another called it a Frankenstein OS because it was a blend of too many things. Both these comment where made before M$ had released any of their test version and I thought it was funny they could draw such conclusions. The joke now is they were dead on and I am not laughing any more.
Just read WHY they did that.
by R. Proffitt - 3/23/12 4:16 PM
In Reply to: Use Metro or else by TWB404
They want to have RETINA DISPLAY capability to match the iPad feature for feature.
It's that simple. And since you only have so many programmers and your management is kicking your behind on the budget, you do this for the tablet first.
Bob
I understand management behind kicking part
by TWB404 - 3/23/12 4:47 PM
In Reply to: Just read WHY they did that. by R. Proffitt
I understand why it is needed for the tablet to compete against the iPad and if they were just doing it on the version that is going to be installed on tablets I would not have posted. Just so everyone knows I am rooting for it to succeed in that area.
If I understand Win 8 Metro correctly they will have 2 versions. One is for ARM and the other for x86. The x86 version for the desktop, laptops is the one I am talking about. I will repeat that if I have interpreted the article I posted correctly, this feature is being offered in the version that will be installed on desktop, laptops. If that is correct I do not understand why they would leave this out of the desktop part but make it available for the Metro part. It can not be that hard to include it if your using the desktop in Win 8 Metro. I have a saying and that time will always explain everything to us if we just wait. So, I guess if I wait long I will know why they choose not have it available when you switch to the desktop mode. Or to simplify that, time will tell.
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