Windows Vista forum: Windows Vista Bugs

A call centre called TSC near where I used to live is still on Windows 2000

So, you have a machine with XP on it, but you want a new machine and are concerned you can't get one with XP. I just spoke to Dell and was told you can get two of their machines with XP. The rest can all support XP.

You don't want to purchase XP for your new machine? Use the licensed copy of XP from your old machine! If you want to keep both machines and stay compliant with your licenses of XP, BUY it! It's cheap.

This car comparison is absurd. If you upgrade from a VW Beatle to a Suburban, should you be able to keep your old out of date engine and use it in your new vehicle? - Childishness.

Here is what I find most amusing: WE HAD THESE SAME DICUSSIONS when moving from WinX/NT to XP!!! Now, XP is the superior operating system??!! The vendors STILL dragged their arses then, but eventually either came out with new drivers, or flat out refused to. I do not do business with the later type, unless the product in question is FIVE years old!

Give it some time or find another solution instead of spending time and energy whining and complaining about technological progress...

And for it's worth, I work for an origination that has the MS Solutions Provider status. We've had Vista for well over a year. It was just code-named something else. WE ran all our developed applications through the platform testing tools THAT MICROSOFT PROVIDED. If we had a problem we couldn't figure out, THEY HELPED US RESOLVE THEM.

Yes, Microsoft delivers applications with bugs in them. It's always best to wait until SP2 is available BEFORE putting something new into production. Here, our standard is to wait for a product to be "on the streets" for one year. We've had no problems using this method.

Also, we get in HP desktops and servers at a rate of at least 10 per day. We only order duel core or duel processor/duel core desktops and ALL come with XP already installed. That's how we order them...

Obviously it is us, the user, that is to blame.

Why do we keep purchasing such ill written programs? That puts gold in their pockets and our of ours.

Quit buying every os that comes out and force microsoft to correct what they have already published. If we continually flood them with purchase of faulty product, guess what, they will continue giving us faulty product.

All I saw out of Vista was, and this I told Microsft also, a real nice graphic package. Yes, it has nice graphics. Yes, it has eye appeal. Yes, it takes up lots of real estate, lots of memory to run, hard disk to store. BUT, what does it do better for me? Does it run my programs better than, say, 2000? No. Does it support my hardware better than, say, ME? No. So why should I purchase vista that I know will pretty well require me to lay out hundreds of bucks just to do the same job as I am already doing. Like writing this message. Or writing a letter with Microsoft Word. Or browsing the net?

No folks, vista as pointed out is a microsoft responsibility. They should have given the software venders ample time to make adjustments to programming if the specs had changed.

What I see out of the whole thing is nothing but ONE BIG MONEY GENERATING machine. Produced for one purpose, income into the vender and Microsoft's deep pockets.

DON'T PURCHASE THE NEW PRODUCT UNTIL IT'S PROVEN GOOD AND STABLE.

With this attidute, we would all be driving around in Modle T Ford's. Progress marches on. Get used to it or get left behind.

Hello,
I didn't upgrade, about 1 month ago I bought a new HP a1730n which had VISTA loaded as the OS. For the past two weeks I have had horrible problems with sudden error messages (too many different to even track), unexpected shut downs, corrupted files in Norton (why?) which eventually kept the machine from even starting up fully without Restores. I had to do hard restarts twice just to get it to fire up this morning. Blue screens, mini-dumps -- It was suggested that I "insert my Vista disc" but I don't even have one I have had to restore 3x back to 3/2 settings (prior to 3 or 4 Microsoft automatic updates after that date?). I handled the idea that some of my main software wouldn't work but I DID expect the new computer to at least turn on, stay on and work reliably. I blame Microsoft and HP.

Kristin

While most hardware venders are scrambling to update their drivers to support Vista, some software venders are using Vista's release to drive revenue by intentionally not patching existing versions of their software and requiring users to upgrade. A good example of this is Intuit, maker of Quicken and Quickbooks. Intuit is refusing to patch versions other than 2007 of their software and began sending upgrade notices to it's customers a couple weeks before Vista's release telling Quickbooks 2006 and earlier users that they would need to shell out $180+ if they wished to use their products with Vista. Adobe is taking the same approach with their high dollar suites like Macromedia and PhotoShop stating that new versions that fully support Vista will be available this summer but that they do not intend to patch existing versions. So I wouldn't come down too hard on Microsoft about Vista's software issues, new operating systems are a major profit event for some software makers and we are left to either pay the price or find different software.

My father just received his new computer Friday, the 9th of March. I have gone through PC Repair Courses, and, in every course I have taken I have not found ONE OF THEM to even include the VISTA program with the course outline or materials.

He bought a Dell Dimensions E 520. It has Vista Home Basic on it. We tried to install his DELL PHOTO ALL IN ONE 962 Printer/Fax/Scanner onto the computer.

All it did was the first disk (only asking for the SCANNER information). Also, when we rebooted the computer, and tried to FIND the printer, it could NOT be found anywhere.

We even looked for the ADD/REMOVE programs box that normally comes with the CONTROL PANEL. What we found, even in CLASSIC mode, was absolutely NO ADD/REMOVE icon or anything even remotely looking like that icon.

Also, after talking to a DELL TECH online for more than 2 1/2 hours, they still could NOT tell me where to find the printer at, or how to uninstall it to be able to reinstall it properly.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that the VISTA does NOT come with a manual on HOW TO USE IT. This part, should not be put to blame on DELL, but on Microsoft itself, as MICROSOFT is the one that made the program to begin with, NOT DELL, HP, or ne other company that puts the VISTA program on their computers.

Yet, another thing to keep in mind, is that a lot of these companies are NOT supplying RE-INSTALL disks, but, they r taking up, on an average, of 25% of ur hard drive, to make "a picture" copy of your system ON YOUR HARD DRIVE, in case of having to reformat the hard drive.

The 3rd party company, no matter who it is, is telling you that you r getting an 80 gb hd (example), of that 80 gbs, 25% or more of it, is JUST ANOTHER COPY OF YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM. If a company is going to advertise 40, 80, 120, 160, 200, 250, 300, 500 GB, or even 1TB of hard drive space, then give the customer that space, and ADD the extra space for their so called PICTURE COPY of the system, NOT take away from the usable space we are asking for.

I bought my Dell, in July 2006. On the front of the computer, in plain site of anyone that looks at it, it says VISTA CAPABLE on it, yet, when I tried to upgrade to VISTA, I was given information that states that MY COMPUTER (though it STATES CLEARLY THAT IT IS VISTA CAPABLE), is NOT VISTA CAPABLE at all.

To show you what I mean about the above, here is the link to the page that was displayed to me, concerning my VISTA CAPABLE COMPUTER:

http://www.geocities.com/mew_mewto/VistaAssessmentResults.htm

and I hope that this link works, especialy for those that have a DELL computer, that states that it is VISTA CAPABLE on it.

Between DELL & MICROSOFT, I too am fed up with their BS. AND FOR GODS SAKE DON'T DO REMOTE ASSISTANCE WITH ANY DELL TECH. The one tech that I allowed to do remote assistance, wound up SCREWING UP a 2 week old computer, AND, DELL has done absolutely NOTHING to help fix it, or even send a tech OUT TO MY HOUSE to see where the problem is coming from. So, needless to say, almost 8 months later, I STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUES as I had back in AUGUST OF 2006 when this computer was only 2 weeks old.

And as for the diehard "Microsoft can do no wrong" people, OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES AND SEE REALITY. Not once, since I have been using Microsoft Windows OS Programs, have I ever found one single computer that has NOT had errors of some sort that come up about drivers, ports, usb connections, etc., and that is NOT just due to using Dell products either, as I also have a COMPAQ WINDOWS XP OS & an IBM WINDOWS 98 OS, and BOTH of them also have problems with the same things that the new so-called BEST OS "VISTA" has.

So, in my opinion, NO it is NOT the 3rd parties fault about the drivers, but Microsofts. When I have 3 different types of computers, all with Windows OS on them, and all with driver issues, ports issues, usb connection issues, this does NOT become the third party's problem, this becomes a MICROSOFT problem.

And, just so everyone knows, I don't give a rats arse if anyone agrees with me or not, but I DO AGREE WITH PHOTOHAM.

Also, just so that you know, where it is saying that I DO NOT HAVE the items listed, I can readily prove to you that I do actually have what they are telling me I do NOT have.

And, if that page isn't enough proof for you about the VISTA OS program, then I will list specifically, every detail of my computer that it is telling me DOES NOT EXIST on my computer.

SqueakeyCat

I was an early adopter of NT when it came out in 1993. At that time, there was the same problem with the lack of software support. When customer demand ramps up, the vendors will respond.

I figured out long ago that Microsoft is not about software. It's about making money. Extortion to computer manufacturers requiring purchase of their program, extortion for up grades and we are the guinea pigs that keep eating at the Microsoft bowel. The only way to change things is to hold folks accountable. There are two problems with that. First off Microsoft makes it impossible to get any technical help. No books, no personnel. 2nd is that as long as we keep signing off on these long winded license agreements none of it will ever get straightened out.

While it may be true that Microsoft is responsible for Microsoft, it has been proven that they have tried to make themselves a monopoly when it comes to operating systems. They have been goofing off for 5 yrs developing what amounts to an upgrade to XP and an expensive one at that. The amount of benefit is negligible at this point. Given that they have had 5yrs, why haven't they worked with the other vendors to iron these issues out? Usually that's how it works? Was this a surprise? If Microsoft is in business to make operating systems that puts them in the place where they need to make sure it will function on the computer and that the other software will work with it simply put that is the nature of the beast! I have no desire to spend the money at this point and will continue to use XP. It is however a distinct shame that should you desire to purchase a new computer you are forced to "upgrade" to Vista. Apple is looking for appealing all the time!

Turn-key, that's what a computer...any computer, is supposed to be. I fuss about MS everyday that I have ever used a computer because you have to know all sorts of inane technical jargon in order to be able to navigate through and do simple tasks. Most of us average Joes only need to do letters and other mundane typing sort of stuff. Heaven help us if we decide to stick a table in our document or add columns! The first time you do these tasks you have to have someone close by to guide you through it or have a few hours of free time...that should not be the case. The techie guys who write the software should have a counterpart with no patience for anything beyond font size to actually use what they've written before the general public gets it. My Mac friends tell me Steve Jobs gets it in this area. That's why I always say...it's Microsoft's fault.
And if you like tweaking your computer and spending hours figuring out ways to enhance your experience...then you have no idea what Im talking about.
By the way, my presupposition is that when I turn the computer on I should never have to read the manual to use it...at all!

What one would expect from a company with Microsoft stature was that they had supplied all resources and code necessary and worked close with hard and soft developers in order to assure that they had their drivers and soft ready for Vista - before -its official launch!

Some incentive would not have harmed either.

Also, Microsoft knew that Vista would force the majority of the hardware (and most of the soft too) in existence to be trashed but tried to hide it with the false and incomplete information upgrade Advisor gives.

There is a severe disconnect between what an OS means in the home computers / consumer world and what it means elsewhere. As an embedded systems engineer, an OS is typically either C code or object code in the form of a library. If distributed as C code, it is MY responsibility to ensure (either prior to buying it or after the fact) that it works on my target processor. Any problems that arise due to incompatibilities between the OS and my host are essentially my problem. Unless the OS is certified or guaranteed to work with the exact hardware that I'm using, there is no real recourse when things don't work. Of course, I can pay for support packages and the engineers at the OS company will be happy to help me solve my problem .

Why is it that consumers can be so stupid when it comes to certain things and smart elsewhere. When buying a car, there is a culture of shopping around for the best price and features, knowing exactly what you're getting with the vehicle you're buying. Or when looking for a house or apt, we don't just buy/rent something that has a pretty picture in a newspaper or magazine, we (usually) take the time to inspect it, walk around, talk to people who live in the area, etc. Why is it that we expect other things to be different.

However, I suppose it is the nature of the business that consumers not exercise too much mental faculties. After all, if everyone waited until drivers were ready and an OS was proven to be stable and secure. . .then they'd never buy it and the company would have less incentive to do all that. . .and we'd fall into a decaying spiral that puts for profit OS developers out of business.

I have a problem with forced upgrades as well. When I tried running Nero 6 OEM that I got with another one of my computers on my Vista machine, it told me that it was totally incompatible and that I would have to upgrade to Nero 7.

Nero 7 is 50 bucks even with my upgrade voucher discount, a little expensive to upgrade to.

The same thing happened with ACDSee 8, I have to upgrade (at least I thought until two days ago) to ACDSee 9 to be fully Vista-compatible.
That upgrade is 20 dollars, though ACDSee had been saying for nearly a YEAR that they would not be releasing an ACDsee 8 update, because Vista's coming out would coincide with their usual software upgrade timing.

Some are saying Microsoft didn't allow enough time for other venders to get their products upgraded. I know that I had a Vista beta version way back in September of 2006 and I am just a user. Surely hardware and software vendors could have found out as quickly as a mere user if their products were compatible. Don't blame Microsoft because other verdors were too busy making money on existing products to upgrade them to Vista