Silent Vista-loving majority?
by chustar - 4/30/08 5:37 PM
Is anyone here part of the silent vista-loving majority? I've used it for close to a year without any problems. Come on people, let's get our voices heard!
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by: chustar April 30, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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Vista Not to Bad
by adamofkingston - 5/11/08 4:56 AM
In Reply to: Vista contributes to "forced obsolescence" strategy by BeowulfX
So i bot an acer aspire 5100 with vista home premium and i thought it was great. A lot easier to use and a lot of fun with the features! Yet the laptop is in the shop now because of the screen. Vista is awesome most of my family and friends have gotten "upgraded" and they like it. One of my friends is brining his back though because he does not like it. I would only not like it if it was a slow machine.
I agree with "forced obsolecence"
by panda2006 - 5/11/08 10:42 AM
In Reply to: Vista contributes to "forced obsolescence" strategy by BeowulfX
I think your comment is excellent, I totally agree. You have not mention the new Office 2007 (I have it installed with Vista) that has some compatibility issues. Microsoft even changed the extentions! You can download the compatibility program but in the long term, all people will have to change to Office 2007 whether they need its capabilities or not.
That is "forced obsolecence" too. I do not think that is an honest business practice. Not to mention the many times Office 2007 crashes.
Most of the comments are from people who have used only Windows, they do not know other operating systems. Thay should give a try to Linux Ubuntu 8.1 (the newest version) and Mac OS Leopard. Maybe they would open their eyes to a new experience.
I love vista, many new features and i have not had any virus since i have vista for last one year. i do not know why people keep complaining about it. some people do not like microsoft for some odd reason.
Picked up Vista w/my new Thinkpad. Also purchased the book 'Windows Vista Secrets' and learned lots in the first few chapters. It's Great!!! (with apologies to Tony the Tiger)
Not loving ANY operating system
I use computers for the applications that make my life more efficient, simpler and/or more entertaining. All this fluff about Vista seems silly to me. I remember experiencing my first XP machine. I had to wait four weeks for delivery because ATI hadn't released its XP driver set for the new video card. When I finally got the machine, the new OS was the same; but different--much like Vista is today. Everything was there; just in a different place. I had to do a complete reinstall after I tried to load my Win2K twain driver. It locked up tight and wouldn't even allow me into recovery console! I was more careful installing software and drivers after that. Nothing is different in that respect about the move from XP to Vista. People need to insure compatibility before deploying hardware and software on Vista machines. I am a consultant and have installed dozens of Vista systems, all needing to be configured. I have not had a single problem with the OS so far. I have read the horror stories of others which seemed mostly due to early lack of 3rd party driver support for Vista. I have installed SP1 on several machines, without a hitch. (hint: update all drivers first) I don't count nanoseconds of performance, so if Vista is a little slower than XP, the newer interface makes up for it, IMHO. Does Vista hog resources? Maybe, but resources like storage and ram are dirt cheap compared to XP days. Buy some more. Yes, I think I am one of the silent majority who is less vocal about their preferences. As far as "loving" Vista, I'm loving any OS that continues to work and do what it is designed to do. So far, I have had a great experience with both Microsoft and Vista.
A System Programmer Who Despises It!
I thought Windows ME was a big ripoff, but Vista really takes the cake. Anyone who knows anything about writing system code knows that it is bloated and buggy. Bill Gates should be ashamed of his billions!
seems to work fine
It took some getting use to but I now like it very much.
The only thing vista will not let me download Adobe Flash player.
You're kidding. Right?
Windows Vista Ultimate
I never have so many probles before we any of the previus plataforms.
At one point, I was ready to return, my new computer and the Vista as well
Vista is almost ready
I installed it a year ago on my desktop computer and promptly got into a mess of problems with design and imaging software that I use for my work. Had to reformat and go back to XP. Then about 6 months ago, my laptop died and the new ultralight that I needed was not available with XP (yet), so I got the Vista machine and used it while software caught up with Vista. Now that everything works well with Vista, I am really happy with it. I made sure that the processor and ram were way, way too much for an XP application to take into account Vista's power hungry ways, and the hybrid hard drive helps with boot up speed.
So far, So good - only a few minor glitches
I found a good deal at Staples - HP Pavilion dv9810us laptop on sale last week for $699.00 after Instant Savings and a $50.00 rebate. It features an AMD dual core 64 bit processor, 3 Gigs of memory, 160 gig hard drive, DVD burner, wireless, and all the input/output ports one could possibly use in one lifetime.
It's back to it's original price of $899.00, so I got in on time. They label this laptop as a budget model - okay. It'll do for my needs.
The major issue I had with it (at first) was setting up my e-mail accounts; it would not recognize any of the incoming or outgoing servers. Turns out there was some sort of conflict with Windows Defender and NAV Security firewall interaction. A Verizon Rep was able to help me out, so I can now send/receive mail.
Vista works well!
Much better than XP, no blue screens of death like XP, at first it was slower than XP, now is about the same. Don't know if its due to patches coming from MS or what but its better now (SP1?) than when new. Only real complaint I have is the cost to upgrade from Home Premium to Ultimate. Ultimat is kind of a rip off, but it does have some features I could use on my laptop. Right now running Ultimate 64bit on desktop and Home Premium 32bit on laptop. Drivers on the lap top have been an issue for the 64bit vers. Overall I love it. After reading some of the articles I get tempted to go back to XP, but then start adding up all the things I'd give up. Vista always wins.....
No problems whatsoever.
Some older program versions don't work with it. Got a free update for Quicken, but have a buy a new version of Adobe Acrobat Pro. Drivers for my printer/scanner were available and it works fine. My wireless network -- 3 desktops and a laptop, work fine.
My sympathies to those who aren't enjoying it as much as I. I remember when XP service pack 2 came out, and it really messed up my PC. Spent months with Microsoft tech support to no avail. Finally had to reformat and reinstall.
Since the '80s I've dealt with the good and the bad as a quasi-tekkie end-user. Vista has definitely been very very good to me. So far.
I Love Vista Premium
No complainants here at all.
I honestly believe problems when XP users upgrade is not enough RAM to run Vista. Also its a waste if your not using a dual processor in 64bit mode.
My laptop is HP Pavilion AMD Turion64 with 2GB RAM and Nvidia GeForce Go 7150M graphics w/800 MB RAM.
This is the FIRST Windows OS to work FLAWLESSLY since the FIRST DAY !
I've been using Microsoft since the Dos Days. Vista is a LONG way from Windows 3.0 !!! LOL
Saugerties NY USA
I had never been impressed with XP's 64 bit version so when I built this computer just over a year ago and I decided to give Vista x64 a try and it has been fine. It took a little while to get used to the location of everything, speaking of which user folder not being buried in "Documents and Settings" is such a simple but sensible improvement from XP. It has been stable and just fine for gaming ever since Creative Labs finally fixed their 64 bit x-fi driver...
Anyhow a friend of mine went the XP SP3 route and it hosed his machine good, so he finally went Vista as well and is a happy convert now as well.
So far, I have not seen any benefit over XP. Yet, I've had to make a full Vista re-intall once already because the level of odd conflicts became unbearable. The straw that broke the camel back was when Vista simply didn't recognize DVD. Period. CDs worked fine, but no DVDs. No idea what caused it, no solution anywhere. I had to reinstall to solve it. Vista is a poor product.
I have been running Vista Ultimate on my home PC for about 9 months & have XP running on my work PC so I have a daily basis for comparison. I also recently acquired a MacBook for travel - essentially because it was the best value 13'' screen/compact notebook that I could find & I thought it would be fun to finally see what all that Mac hype was about.
Bottom line - I have found that Vista is noticeably more stable than XP, I have had no hardware installation problems (i.e. driver related) that could not be resolved by a visit to the manufacturer's website and I far prefer the look & feel of the Vista GUI. In other words - I really like it a lot - but its not quite love.
Typical Hold-Out Late to the Party
For decades I have been very hesitant to change to the latest Microsoft OS, hoping to ride the functionality and value of the previous version until most of the big bugs were resolved and the cost dropped significantly. In recent years I've come out of the shadows to become a Microsoft beta tester for several programs, but have yet to graduate to the operating system level. Being a severely disabled retired Army veteran of 25 years and a member of the later-in-life graduate student crowd, I haven't had the luxury of owning a computer on which I could indulge increased risk of indiscriminate data loss.
This time around I stumbled across an incredible opportunity on Dell's outlet site to purchase a computer I could not pass up; the price and specs were just too right! I was a bit worried about the Vista Home Premium OS at first, but that quickly faded into amazement at the array of wonderful new features that have worked perfectly for me without fail. Many others here have said it best by describing the normal product lifecycle inherent to every new software development. Bugs are a natural part of the development process. One of the things I find most interesting and notable is the fact that so many of us stay with Microsoft products throughout each sequence, regardless of the point at which we test the waters.
Vista is the latest in a long line of the most popular operating systems in the world. Microsoft products have enriched our lives and in countless ways done a great deal towards bringing all of us into the modern technological era. I'm a BIG fan and loyal customer. Many "computer geeks" would argue that I'm naive or just plain stupid, but I don't mind. For my money, Microsoft products do what I need done the best.
While previewing my post I noticed a "rule" against submitting "advertisements". I hope my personal testimony does not constitute a breach of this policy. My preference and praise for Microsoft products comes honestly. I have not ever been employed by Microsoft and in no way intend to profit from my statemets, either directly or indirectly.
I use both Vista & XP. In my office (i'm a reseller) we started using Vista (got it in October 2006). It's wonderful to work with images given the quality of performance. I operated it first with a 2G Celeron and 1GB of memory. When things started to slow down, I upgraded to 3G Dual Core and 1.5GB (it's the sweet spot 1.5 Gig) of RAM. I normally do not switch off my PC, so I do not have start-up problems. When I put it to sleep or hibernate(not really recommmended to be done regularily since it does give virtual memory problems)it does wake up properly. It crashed only once, when the first verison of ActiveSync 9for my pda) made it to crash. When I did the update of that software, it never crashed thereafter. The quality of images and sound it out of this world... I use XP at home, mainly becuase I have loads of programs and data, which I don't want to mess around with. I have XP in my notebook, because the overhead for Vista will kill it (but it work nice in there as well)... My advise.. Embrace technology.. it will railroad you anyway..
So say we all?
*I haven't followed the 600 posts... but*
I am too, part of the Vista lovers, I don't have more complaints with it then when I had XP. I've been using Vista since the early Beta, and RC and grown to appreciate it a lot.
Calling it a majority might not be correct, but when I think about the average PC user that just needs to buy a computer Vista is just fine. The turn over will be slow, my guess is that software isn't playing as big a role as it used to. I mean everything is moving on the web, and wheter you're on a Mac, a Linux box or any version of Windows you're starting to be able to do the same things, so why bother and paying for an OS upgrade?
Vista experience: depends on edition
I have Vista Home Prem 32 on my laptop and have had no compatibility problems (save and old printer driver) and the install has been very stable (all updates, but no sp1). this is installed on a laptop.
I have Vista Ultimate 64 on my desktop (dual pent). This is truly a work to love, but oh so love-able after the efforts. After years of running XP and experiencing so many crashes and susceptibility to virus and ad malware, my experience with Vista has been nothing but bullet proof. It may not be as fast in the internet speed department (but quite fixable with a download manager) and surely it was a major pain getting it going... but I have to say, all of the intense work was worth it. This is not a job for someone who does not like the challenge of figuring out workarounds or someone who does not have a second computer to google the current problem, but again, when all is said and done.... I love this version and would never go back to XP. (though i have to admit I am not ready to set aside another few weeks to deal with whatever trauma the new Service pack might deliver). The hard work: no question... the lack of support for anything over a year old is very annoying. I have to find drivers for new printers that will work with my "old" ones and even had to dump my old xerox workcenter xd102 because it just wont work with the "not secure" printer communication system the printer required in 64. But i blame xerox for that. Vista 64 Ultimate also has every bell and whistle I need, may of which are not included in Home P...eg. file encryption of any kind etc. I enjoy this rock solid OS so much that if I was 10 years younger and could afford to spend another year of my life staring at a screen, I would install the 64bit ultimate on my dual processor laptop that is presently running Home Pr. One final caveat: be sure to keep one old XP machine around (I have 2, a laptop and desktop) because there is specialty software from small companies (like psychometric software and certain banking programs) that simply will not work on Vista, any flavor. If you need one of those and the company has not written a vista compat version, your out of luck unless you have that XP machine (my primary desktop is three system boot capable: XP pro, Vista Ult 64 and Ubuntu. Final Summary: Home premium is a piece of cake. Stepping up to a 64 bit version multplies all the problems as it is even less supported than vista in general. Ultimate 64 is major work not for the faint of heart but it is, in a word, the Ultimate.
after making my original post, I rebooted xp to install some VAG COM software that is def not 64bit functional and would not install in Ultimate 64. it didnt take long for me to see why i really disliked xp. error messages all over the place, hyper susceptibility to disruption of any kind, inability to stay connected to my mobile device... or even make a sucessful connection despite uninstalls and reloaded applets, and after i installed the program written for xp, the damn thing erred out loading. short of starting all over again with a fresh clean new install of xp, i will stay with vista. it seems to me that as your machine grows more complex, xp fails where vista prevails. Vista can handle anything you throw at it (as long as it is able to use it). Once it accepts it, it does a much better job of protecting the rest of your computer, your programs and most of all, your sanity! The amount of time i have spent repairing XP=3 to 4 days per month or more. the amount of time I have spent repairing Vista =0 days per month.... knock wood!!!!
My Beloved Vista-Monster
I simply ADORE my Vista! Yes, I have serious issues with my XP software not working on my Vista (although my computer SWEARS it has now found the fix, every time I try to run one of my old programs it still won't run!). My biggest problem to date, though, is Microsoft itself. Not only does my IE pick up every single passing bug, EVERY single time I agree to download an update, I end up having to completely scrub my hard drive and start over, so I no longer accept updates, and my darling runs just fine!
I can do things with my Vista that I never dreamed were possible with my XP, so I will probably never go back to XP, but I won't update my Vista, either!
Seems like you have a "back door" open somewhere. I assume that you've run AV and Spyware to find it but did not succeed. Don't forget that you can get the SP etc on a CD from Micro$oft (not sure exactly how to go about ordering it though). Did you do an update from XP or a clean install of Vista ?
I've been using Vista for a year or so too, and have had no significant issues with it. Nobody I know who uses it has any concerns, and nobody I know with any concerns actually uses it. I guess that probably says something (something anecdotal... but something nonetheless)
fishing for what you want to hear
You basically start off by saying you are ignoring what people are saying. If you think it is just standard OS upgrade gripes, you haven't even read half the details people are going out of their way to try to tell you.
Sure there is the regular transition period, and all upgrades probably tried to incorporate better validations. Sure, there are a few other features added that save the user the effort of downloading for free and adding in themselves, provided they actually want them.
The source of many of the gripes I believe is the sheer arrogance to think that one company can decide that when you go into over half of the computer stores, the only options you have now is a system that doubles the resources used, silently monitors everything because they decided they were going to be the controlling channel for the coming Internet multimedia, and you have essentially mad spyware slowing everything down and new "hooks" so that things can be downgraded and possibly remotely disabled now if MS believes you are not in full complience with their new computer "vision". Also, just to use a new computer you just bought in most places now, you have to click that you agree that you will not try to work around these embedded limitations. Also, with the new polling options MS embeds, you cannot even guarantee you can use a computer you bought if it cannot periodically check with MS. Now, on top of that, to get a computer without all this extra spyware and junk, you have to pay a premium. Do manufacturers make money from all this embedded spyware, and is that why a computer with Vista actually costs less than the same pc without it? Is that market manipulation? And there's a fake uproar because google might combine adds with yahoo, when MS can force the average consumer's options to whatever they want, and create albiet invoicable disasters for IT professionals for no real consumer benefit? I guess it brings money into the system though.
So because some people use something they are not paying for, somehow that gives MS the right to say they will now decide who is in compliance or not, or they can put hooks in your computer which can shut it down or restrict functionality, because one of their business partners decides you owe them money or your video output is not sufficiently encrypted. Sure, they are not using these limitation hooks widespread, yet, but their incorporation into Vista bugs me still enough to take it is an insult I suppose.
OS takeover ?
Sounds like the way any OS operates.
As a techie for 23 or so years, people always come to me with their computer problems. I've also worked in various tech fields including PC support for the past 15 years. People used to bug me at least once a week with computer problems. Every time they've gotten Vista (the oldest install being 1 1/2 years) they've COMPLETELY STOPPED having computer problems. No errors, no malware, no how-to questions. 'All with using the OS as much or more than they did with XP. Can someone explain what's wrong with Vista? I sure can't find anything.
Vista? Heck, I can't get up the nerve go to to XP!
Yep, still on a Win98SE box. Been doing more and more on Macs, and heck, if I want OS X, I'd get it,not that OS X emulator, Vista.