Silent Vista-loving majority?
by chustar - 4/30/08 5:37 PM
Is anyone here part of the silent vista-loving majority? I've used it for close to a year without any problems. Come on people, let's get our voices heard!
by: chustar April 30, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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Silent Vista-loving majority?
Although Vista is a resource hog and I haven't really got the hang of all the security issues (I have the Business version which came on a computer from Ebay) I did end up with a new scanner (HP no longer supported my old scanner which was just two years old)and a computer that I thoroughly enjoy using.
So if you are willing to pay the price for a bigger computer and new perhiperals and also master the changes of a new operating system I would highly recommend going to Vista.
On the other hand, if you are not willing to accept these requirements it would be best that you stay with with XP. It has been very solid performer for me.
Vista isn't bad, software is
The reason people have problems with software and hardware drivers isn't because Vista screwed something up, it's because the software was written badly in the first place. You can see the most common problem simply by trying to use a "user" account instead of an administrator on either XP or Vista. A lot of software - especially games - will die because they violate guidelines that have existed since Win 9x: save data created by users in user-specific locations. Games in particular tend to save configuration files and saved games to their installation folder, which is read-only unless you're an administrator. Try making your kids a user account on your XP machine and see how many of their games and learning programs blow up with a useless error message or just die silently.
Drivers similarly take shortcuts, or keep code that worked on older less secure versions of Windows, and big surprise they don't work as Microsoft progressively plugs holes so bad drivers can't destroy you machine.
There are other reasons too, but the fact is that a _lot_ of software is just written badly. As someone who writes software myself, I often can't believe the low quality of work that well-known companies let out their door.
I really like Vista and a lot of the things that are just part of the built-in user experience. Having said that, 3 years was way to long to wait for what (at least to the end user) is mainly a UI upgrade. Yes, a _lot_ of stuff was improved under the covers too, but at the end of the day when you're asking people to shell out a few hundred bucks for an upgrade it's going to be the visible benefits people are looking for ... and in all honesty I can see why people don't think it's worth it when they already have XP up and running the way they want.
My only real pet peeve is User Account Control. It's a really good and necessary idea, but the implementation is really annoying and it's the first thing I had to turn off.
absolutely love vista, have had it pretty much since release day and only encountered minor issues with the upgrade, nothing that i didnt expect or that taking a few minutes to update drivers/software from manufacturer's websites couldnt fix. It seems far more stable than XP and in over a year of use i cant remember it ever locking up to the point of needing a hard reset (something i cant say about XP). The features are great, the interface is a pleasure to use. Overall i cant get enough of it, vista has been an awesome experience.
Annoying Parents Control popup window...
I like Vista. It is reliable and pretty. My computer works well and is fast (I use only office software and do some picture editing). The trouble I find relates to Vista itself, not the way it deals with other software. It is absurd that I cannot disable Parents Control since I am the only user and for this reason the popup little window reminds me to turn on its features every time I reboot. I have tried everything imaginable to disable Parents Control to no avail. Very annoying... Microsoft should correct this problem.
I am having fun with Vista
I am happy w Vista. It is not as smooth as XP but well it has a lot of novelties I enjony. Occasional bumps do not bother me. In fact it gives me an extra opportunity to delve into furthur research in search of solutions.
I just got a new computer with Vista and have not encountered any problems so far. I think it is much easier to use that WindowsXP, which I never really liked all that much. I think people are just resistant to change and yes there are always bugs in new software, but when they are worked out, Vista will be praised by more people.
I've liked Vista since Day 1
I've always liked Vista. In my opinion, it's always been better than XP. After getting used to Vista I thought, "This was how XP should have been designed."
Is it as cool and flashy as the latest Mac OS? No. But, like a tree falling in the forest without making a sound, is the Mac OS really good if all the good software (and, let's face it, games) are on Windows?
No complaints so far.
Eventually I have to say Vista will be the OS that everyone, will have sooner or later. So far I haven't had any major problems since I upgrade to Vista, but I have to say there was a few issues like some programs I had didn't work properly after the upgrade. So what I did was to either check for drivers for that program that works with vista or just replace it for one that works with vista. The only major problem so far is that I recently purchased a Dell SP2208WFP Monitor, and for son reason the Webcam applications, or I better say the Webcam is not working properly. I contact dell technical support, and they tried to help for three days, and at the end neither them were able to help he solve the issue. But I n general I have to say Vista is the future, and eventually everybody will have to upgrade to Vista.
I got a NICE Dell in 2006. I have Vista home Basic.. I love it. The only problem I've had was one stubborn trojan virus that I needed help with and the Service Pack that came out had a bug in it that didn't work with "java' it was slowing everything way down and wouldn't let us access our email. I have LIVE ONE CARE installed as my firewall, antivirus and everything. OFFICE 2007 is neat. I have to do more exploring in it. I work in office XP all day so it takes a bit getting used to and if I did work on VISTA I have to remember to save it differently so I can access it on XP. BUT all in All it has a nice "feel" to it.
I have 3 computers at home: a 5 year old Dell desktop, a (fairly) new Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop, both running XP, and a brand new HP 1320TX laptop, running Vista. both laptops have 2 GB RAM, and let me tell you, compared to the XP system, the Vista system is barely crawling. First of all, that user account manager thing is a piece of <bleep>. It made everything so unnecessarily difficult. My wife and I started avoiding that laptop because it just made everything slower and harder. She even went back to her old desktop, which is still (on 512MB RAM) way faster than her new laptop. Now that I turned off the user acccounts manager it gave us some breathing room, but it is still unacceptably slow for a dual processor. i am planning on returning to XP, although HP support is not offering this option. still, they gave me links for all the XP drivers that i would need.
there were very few nice things about vista, right now all i can think about is the preview of the windows when you hold your mouse on the buttons on the taskbar, but really it's not worth keeping Vista just for that, besides, i bet there are 3rd party applications that would do that in XP.
so, to summarize, GIVE ME BACK MY XP!!!
who said I was silent?
Vista is so great! First off, I have to say I have had next to no issues with incompatibilities, and those few were solved by getting drivers from HP.
But seriously, I am loving the type-search in the start bar and in any folder I am in. The built-in search feature in windows explorer is also incredible.
Here's a list I have compiled of why Vista is so much better than XP:
when file extensions are viewable and you go to rename a file, it does not select the file extension
there is a built-in mail client windows mail
windows defender is built in to defend from malware
automatic updates do not restart your computer. you can't always be there to click the "restart later" button in xp.
better photo viewing thumbnails
type in folder/file name and it will recognize all that you type, not just the first letter, and go to it
search in start bar is nice
built-in search in windows explorer
transparencies are nice
control panel has better layout
can strip files of their attributes while XP can't
has better image/audio/video tag managing
thumbnail previews for files
when viewing files in details mode, you can select the file by clicking on the details
you have a wider selection of details to view in windows explorer
you have a wider arrangement of views for files in windows explorer
windows sidebar and gadgets
when renaming a file in use, it will give a try again dialog so you can close the offending program and try again, rather than have to name it again
when moving/copying files, it gives a nice variety of options
when copying files and one or more won't copy, it will allow you to skip them rather than cancel the whole entire copy process
properties windows show up on the menu bar
task manager shows task descriptions
WAY better media tagging, sorting, control, etc.
can strip all file attributes/properties
doesn't pop up with that dumb prompt that you're deleting a shortcut when you delete a shortcut
video acceleration does not block screenshots
I vote for Vista over mac OSX because macs are so restrictive on what software they have, and I have such a wide array of 3rd party software to do practically anything.
Plus, I like Vista over linux because it is more stable. I know some of you are loading your guns right now, but hear me out. Windows' "instabilities" are from when the OS itself crashes. That is irritating, but not super common. However, I am a computer programmer. I install and tweak lots of stuff, and let me tell you, Windows is one tough OS. Linux, on the other hand, is SO easy to crash. And sometimes you can undo the changes in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (yes I do have LOTS of experience in the matter), but sometimes the error is elsewhere. And when Linux crashes, there is no restore. You have to reinstall the OS from scratch.
No, Vista is not perfect, but NO OS is perfect. Every OS is entitled to its bugs; but having dealt with Ubuntu, Fedora, XP, 98 (ugh!), and mac OSX (no it's actually really great, just not for what I need an OS to do), I have found Vista to be the best for the above reasons.
I own Windows Vista Business x64 edition (got it free through my major).
I adore Vista and am proud to have it as my operating system.
XP vs Vista objections
"type in folder/file name and it will recognize all that you type, not just the first letter, and go to it" - actually XP does that too!!!
"windows defender is built in to defend from malware" - ally, there are so many better alternatives... although i understand why this would help a novice. however, you're not a novice.
"there is a built-in mail client windows mail" - doesn't XP come with Outlook Express too?
"search in start bar is nice"; "windows sidebar and gadgets" - I assume that your computer, just like mine, is an HP that came with Google desktop preinstalled. Those are both Google desktop apps, not windows vista. so you can install them on XP...
"when file extensions are viewable and you go to rename a file, it does not select the file extension" - really, did it bug you so much that you had to switch "view file extensions" on/off to do the same? maybe you want to change the extension? there's extra work there, then
on most of the other statements, i agree more or less with you, but still they're not significant enough for the drain on resources that Vista implies
The question mark at the end of "Vista-loving majority?"
I would like to ask three questions:
(1) who says it is a majority?
(2) if, hypothetically, a drug caused serious birth defects in 40% of cases, would it be appropriate to start a forum for the silent majority of users for whom it worked fine?
(3) if, hypothetically, an Operating System caused major loss of data, man-hours and productivity in 40% of cases, and this operating system was replacing an operating system that worked well for everyone, and the old operating system was being withdrawn to make way for the new one, would it be appropriate to start a forum for the alleged silent majority of users for whom the new one worked fine?
I've been running Vista Ultimate on two home built systems for over a year now and I run some pretty tough games as well, like Crysis and Bioshock, as well as older games like Prey, Half-Life, Quake and Doom and Vista has performed very well. Like Windows XP in it's beginning, hardware manufacturers just don't seem to get ready for what they know is coming and don't get the drivers ready for the new OS's, or they make the decision to never provide the drivers so you'll come buy a new piece of hardware from them. But look folks, Vista works and works well, so buy a new system with confidence, and don't look back. But be careful if upgrading, for you'll need plenty of memory.
The dangers of marketing
If it hadn't been so overpromised, we might have been happier with the results.
Better than I thought it would be
I upgraded from XP to Vista Ultimate in January, and I actually like it! No major problems.
I have 64 bit business, and so far, its been great. I love the window transitions and the way the user interface looks. However, I must wonder why Vista demands that you have at least 256mb VRAM. It seems like a lot to make a window move around a little. Oh well, not really a big deal, as my PC still works great. Vista is suprisingly responsive if you have enough ram (I have 2gb), and even on my dinosaur P4 processor, it seems pretty responsive.
I have found a couple of issues: 1. Driver incompatibility - If you turn off the requiring of valid device signatures, about 97% of XP drivers still work fine. 2. The annoying security - The windows pop up constantly asking for permission; it doesn't really help anything, just gets very annoying. 3. 64 bit video codecs / drivers / everything else 64 bit - It's handy that Vista 64 comes with 64 bit video programs such as x64 Movie Maker. What's annoying is that 95% of video codecs aren't available in 64 bit, thus making the programs unusable.
Other than that, Vista is very nice. IE7 is fast and secure, windows defender has finally had the kinks worked out, and it seems that all of the windows programs are working well. I will state that Vista can be a little harder to get working, but once it is, it is quite enjoyable to use.
I started using Vista In February
I was concerned about switching to Vista, but bought a new Gateway with Vista installed and have not had a real problem. I am content with the OS.
I've used Windows Vista Home Premium (now with Service Pack 1) for more than a year. It just works well for me. I do not face any problem. No need to complaint. Do I love it? I guess so. I won't miss it until it is missing. (Just like the one whom you love, you will only miss him when he is not around.) I'm so used to Windows Vista now.
Vista saved me money...
I was just about to toss out my HP All-in-One Office Jet because the fax quit working with my XP machine. I purchased a new Vista computer, hooked up the printer and all is well. It saved me $500. Apart from Vista's love for huge RAM, I'm pretty happy with it.
I'm NOT in the Silent Majority of for the Vista OS
First, if it were not for Microsoft, CNET probably would not be in business. With that said, probably a large part of CNET's business is PROMOTING Microsoft products. Weather they are for them or not, they are still promoting the products.
I've often thought that Microsoft was so cheap that they had coin slots for their toilet stalls in the employee bathrooms. With Bill Gates being one of the most wealthy men in the world, he has to charge very large amounts for his OS software. Why? He and Microsoft collectively have more money than 75% of the nations of the world. It appears, the more money they make the more they want. It comes down to just plain GREED.
The same with the Big Oil companny's. American's are trying to cut-back on usage, but the Oil Cartel is "Putting-the-screws" because they want to make more money for what they are loosing. The more we cut back in usage, the less they are going to produce which will drive the prices up even more.
Microsoft and the Big Oil companies have us by the balls.
they're not cheap
by jnynetwk - 5/8/08 10:00 AM
In Reply to: I'm NOT in the Silent Majority of for the Vista OS by rjonanln
Oil politics asside, if you ever have the chance to visit redmond, you should. A college-like campus with free drinks, and when they throw a party for a launch or something, tons of food, free booze, etc. You may not like the price of the software (which I would imagine is driven by demand) but the company isn't stingy. Though they could spring for a few more parking spaces!
by shireytex - 5/8/08 10:06 AM
In Reply to: I'm NOT in the Silent Majority of for the Vista OS by rjonanln
So, do you like Vista or not? I could only tell from your Post that you'll vote for Obama.
slow start but love it now
after a slow start with driver issues, which were really NVidia's falut not, MS, I've been running Vista, 64bit no less, for about a year and love it. It looks great, runs good, no real complaints.
I've been using Vista since the early Beta days and have watched it mature into a great OS. I am currently using Microsoft OneCare for protection and I have yet to receive a virus. Some people are never happy... MS improves secuity and they balk about having to add a few extra clicks. I still use legacy hardware and software and everything integrates well. There are so many extra added little features that simplify and speed up my daily usage that when I use my Wife's laptop running XP, I now get frustrated!
The only way to appreciate these additios are to use the OS for about 2-3 months. I've always used top-of-the-line components, and I believe that a large percentage of user problems is due to faulty, or borderline, hardware.
In all this time, I can remember only one or two unrecoverable crashes, and they were my own fault! Just remember, you can make a system foolproof, but not damn fool proof!
For me, Vista 32 is much more stable than XP. No, Vista does not run every bit of software I own, but for my work requirements, it operates just fine. Of course, I had to gag that annoying 'security cop' feature to keep it from asking me if I really wanted to do something, but once he was tied up and gagged, Vista and I have gotten along just fine.
My home computer is XP pro and that thing locks fairly regularly but that may be due to the fact that I multitask until it chokes. :0)
Silent? yes..Loving it? kinda sort.
My first experience was on a friends new computer and found Vista to have some cool new features. When my old laptop, running XP sp2, died I attempted to find a new laptop with XP. I found a few, but none that could handle the task at hand as far as memory, cpu, etc.
So, I purchased a new power laptop with Vista.
I can't say that I have had any real problems. Don't remember ever seeing the BSD and to me that's the best part.
I did upgrade my office suite, as it was pretty old, and a number of other software programs, but have functioned flawlessly.
So...yeah...I'm happy. Loving it? Kinda, sorta.
Vista does use a lot of memory and requires a good processor, otherwise you'll be waiting for ever for each program to load.
But...it has worked in my estimation, flawlessly.
PS. I installed SP1 as soon as it became available and did notice a minor improvement in performance.
The Vista release at Midnight reminded me of the last time I waited in line into the wee hours to obtain a Microsoft OS. It was Windows 95. The departure from Windows 3.11 was to be the end all of computing.
It took 3 days to get Windows 95 up and running and I loved every minute of it. I think I slept about 4 hours over that 3 day period. But there it was in all its shining glory. I didn't get up from my home office chair for a week.
Vista was released in much the same way. There I was at 10:00pm standing in line at Best Buy with 30 or 40 other first release hopefuls. Only this time there were free cheeseburgers and hotdogs on the grill, sodas and a DJ spinning some tunes. There were Microsoft reps giving away those neoprene can cozies and other branded swag. Enough hoopla to keep the excitement from waning as the witching hour approached.
As the doors opened just past 10:00pm we were let in one at a time in single file and we were handed a USB thumbdrive (more MS branded swag) and a flyer with specials. Each store was to give away a top of the line HP laptop in a drawing, so my first stop was to fill out the entry form and drop it in the box.
I perused the newest 'Vista ready' laptops and found a laptop attached to a big screen plasma in the back of the store. It was online and running Vista. With no one around to tell me to go away, I sat down and started going over the features like I was sitting in my own living room.
Best Buy announced that you could purchase your copy of Vista prior to midnight, and have it waiting for you so you could leave as soon as the release was authorized by the in-store Microsoft reps. I bought Vista Ultimate upgrade since I already own XP. It came with both 32 and 64 bit versions on two separate DVD's.
Gathering all my swag I waited patiently for the laptop drawing, which ended up going to the guy sitting next to me. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride...damn. So I went to the customer service desk, picked up my prepaid and bagged copy of Ultimate and headed home for another Microsoft OS all nighter.
Now this was not my first 'upgrade' experience so I faithfully had my original XP disc on standby as I formatted my hard drive and prepared for a fresh installation of Vista Ultimate. The excitement was building as I stared at the clean slate before me waiting for new life to be breathed into it. I plunked the 64 bit disc into the DVD tray and rebooted, anxious to unleash the 64 bit power of my AMD Athlon 64 bit processor.
It booted into a familiar MS installation sequence and I was on my way. I went through the installation options, entered the lengthy serial number and then it happened. "You must install this version from within Windows". The upgrade process no longer required previous ownership validation by popping the original installation disc from your previous OS into the CD tray. Vista 'upgrade' would only install from an already existing, validated XP installation. Damit!
So I spent hours reinstalling XP, just so I could upgrade it. Not a happy camper at this point. The clock is ticking and I'm already tired.
I start the upgrade from within XP and it says in order to format the drive for a clean install, I need to boot from the disc. So I did. Re-entered all the info again and lo and behold I get the same message "You must install this version from within Windows". Apparently you cannot do a fresh install with the upgrade at all. Now I'm really mad.
I boot back into XP, start the upgrade process and follow the prompts until hours later I finally boot into Vista Ultimate. The first problem I had was it would not detect my network card so I had no Internet to get updates and drivers. It was a standard Linksys card and Vista was blind to it. Ugghh.
I used my laptop, found some drivers and transferred them via the new thumbdrive Microsoft gave me. Now I see the logic in that giveaway.
Things get a little better from here, other than to say 64 bit drivers are virtually non-existent and this point. I get by with help from forum blogs packed with people offering problems and some solutions.
I ended up dumping 64 bit and reinstalling 32 bit. It has been running faithfully side by side with my XP machine on the same network. I stayed with it through all the slamming, insults and general hate mongering. I took time to get to know it and all its quirks.
I don't like the search feature, preferring the old method of file searching but it has been very stable and as my favorite programs became updated to accommodate Vista, my computing life normalized under the new Vista banner.
With the release of Vista SP1, I found many minor annoyances have disappeared and it seems to be running like clockwork. Now it seems that every program I look at, or piece of hardware I covet are now Vista compatible. The long walk through the desert of loneliness has ended and I am better for having endured it. I have seen the face of Vista, and it is good.
San Diego CA
I have Vista on my laptop. I had some driver issues but nothing too serious... but in building new systems, I chosen XP over Vista. My biggest complaints are two things; the "Mother-may-I?" approach to security and Virtual Save. Coming from a DOS background where I felt like I had some control over my OS, Vista adds yet more Wizards and layers trying to fool-proof their OS.
I realize some may be some are comforted by the "are you really, really sure" want to run or delete this file approach? I am not. Personally asking me once is enough. Microsoft gives you dire warnings if you turn off this extra layer of security which gives me some pause it doing it.
With regards to Virtual Save, as a content provider I can't tell you how long it took me to find the files in explorer that I thought I saved in my application folder. For those who don't know about this new "feature", Microsoft saves application data & files to a different location even though the files in the application appear to be in the application folder. What is the downside to saving the files in the application folder there suppose to be in?