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General Mac hardware discussions: Why do mac's have weak (256) shared graphics on most mac's

by Fuzz18500 - 9/22/09 6:03 PM
Post 16 of 29

The bottom line

by Fuzz18500 - 11/6/09 8:25 PM In reply to: That Dell, by mrmacfixit Moderator

Is that apple adds hardware that is not neccessary in order to sell for a higher price. And does not give a person much option but to take what they offer if a person likes their product. Which is stupid in my opinion because they have a smaller number of potential customers b/c they dont give the consumer much choice.

Post 17 of 29

Just your opinion,

by mrmacfixit Moderator - 11/7/09 7:48 AM In reply to: The bottom line by Fuzz18500

everyone has one.

Interesting that Apple are the only computer company that currently does not have declining sales figures.

P

Post 18 of 29

what do you mean by everyone has one?

by Fuzz18500 - 11/7/09 11:34 AM In reply to: Just your opinion, by mrmacfixit Moderator

And this could simply be because of its popularity based on its attention b/c of iphone's and ipod's. if i can recall apple currently does not offer anti glare screen imac's again proving the limited options with mac's. With mac's its either you want it or you dont simple as that.

Post 19 of 29

Honestly

by Fuzz18500 - 11/7/09 11:54 AM In reply to: Just your opinion, by mrmacfixit Moderator

i'll tell you what i do like about mac's: Build Quality, Simplicity, apperently Simple & more secure software compared to window's pc's. what i dont like about mac's is overpricing & lack of options on the few upgrades that are available. Also unecessary hardware (on new imac's 1,499 and up) like 1tb Hd's with no option to go lower and save some $$$ if you do not need a tb of storage, built in camera again no option to remove it to save $$$, your stuck with it, and monitor options , glossy screens on all mac's except on 15-17inch macbook pro's but to get antiglare screen you pay extra. Also with pc's catching on to apple's lead on energy efficency. It begs the question as to who's is an overall better value pc's or mac's.

Post 20 of 29

This may surprise you, but

by mrmacfixit Moderator - 11/7/09 3:04 PM In reply to: Honestly by Fuzz18500

the new series of iMac's, the ones with the 1TB drive and all the other "unnecessary" stuff.

It's cheaper, faster and larger than the series before it.

IMO, there is no question as to which machine offers the better value.

Never mind what you consider to be unnecessary, do a real price comparison and you will find that the Dell is not such a good deal after all.

As I said earlier, if you base your idea of value on price, go get yourself a Dell.

P

Post 21 of 29

My comparison

by BeatleMegaFan - 11/7/09 6:13 PM In reply to: Honestly by Fuzz18500

Ok, so it's been determined, apparently, that you think the Dell is a better value if it has some similar specs and is technically cheaper up front. The main difference between Macs and PCs is the operating system and its software. That's it. Apple uses almost the same lot of components that many other manufacturers purchase themselves. No doubt that there will be "conflicting" prices in the eyes of some people, such as yourself. That said, Apple has quite the ability and flair to design incredible machines such as the new iMacs or MacBooks. Other, high-end PCs might offer the same C2D or i5/i7 processors, but you have to take everything else into account as well.

Why would you want a smaller hard drive? The fact that the standard size is now 1TB on all of the models, save the lowest-tier iMac, is a great improvement when compared to its predecessors, as Peter says. And yet even that iMac has a 3.06Ghz C2D chip. That's quite impressive. 4GB RAM standard across the board... And technically, with a starting price of $1200, you're getting quite a lot, with plenty of room to upgrade memory and hard drive capacities if you choose to. There's plenty of bang for the buck, but you would rather them cut the price by a small margin just to save a few dollars? In the long run, I don't think it would matter so much. After all, having built-in iSight, FireWire, amongst other capabilities, is extremely convenient for most people. Easy chatting online, fast and reliable data transfers from cameras and hard drives... etc. Must I go on?

But wait a minute. Earlier you were complaining about the graphics on the lower-end Macs, right? Well, only the base 21.5-inch iMac lacks a dedicated graphics card. With 4GB of RAM (and a max of 8GB for that particular model), there's more than plenty enough memory available for the shared graphics. The others possess the same NVIDIA chipset with true cards. There is so much power for OS X to use with these new hardware arrangements, and I am sure that it does use it all. Can Windows dig into the hardware as far as Apple's system?

Those are but a few of the many benefits of a Mac. No, they're not perfect, but the whole package is simply a good deal. If many of these capabilities and options that you feel are unnecessary or pointless add too much to the cost, then don't get one. If you don't want it, don't buy it. You should understand that the fact that the items you mentioned are included with the Mac, and not added at the customer's expense. The value lies in the mind of the beholder, so to speak. I'm not going to tell you which is better for the money because it really just depends on what you want your computer to do. It's your call. Hope you make a decision that you're comfortable with.

-BMF

Post 22 of 29

like what?

by Fuzz18500 - 11/11/09 6:38 PM In reply to: My comparison by BeatleMegaFan

"but you have to take everything else into account as well"

Post 23 of 29

Overall specs, software packaging, bang for the buck, etc.

by BeatleMegaFan - 11/11/09 9:17 PM In reply to: like what? by Fuzz18500

I felt that had been sufficiently implied and stated to a certain extent. Forgive me if I did not make that clear enough.

You just have to look at the big picture to see what you're getting. Apple offers some well-rounded hardware configurations, and the performance and usability of their computers reflects that. Sure, some Windows PCs are going to have similar components, but they're also going to have different ones, different software, and some flavor of Windows that "could" be as fully-featured as OS X. Macs come with one system; Windows comes in many versions, each adding more and more features as you go up the ladder. You also have to shell out more for AV software and essential programs that aren't included with Windows PCs, whereas the only thing you would really need to install on a Mac (assuming you're new to Macs and are content with Apple's consumer programs) is a productivity program suite of some sort, be it Office, iWork, or one of the many free alternatives online. There are plenty of factors.

Visit an Apple Store and just play around with a new Mac. See what you do or don't like about the system, because that's really the key element here. OS X sets Apple apart. You have to understand and perhaps appreciate the ease of use and the flow of the Mac OS to truly enjoy using it. Windows runs well on a Mac, but running just Windows on one turns it into any other PC that can't fully utilize its operating system. Windows just isn't coded to take advantage of all the components out there. Again, that's a very distinct difference between the systems. You'll find a lower-end Mac can at times compare favorably with a theoretically more powerful PC because of this reason. Go try out OS X, see how fast it is, and whether you'd like it or not. That can help you better determine its value.

-BMF

Post 24 of 29

im unsure about security for

by Fuzz18500 - 11/12/09 3:10 PM In reply to: Overall specs, software packaging, bang for the buck, etc. by BeatleMegaFan

websites with sensitive information like bank sites and you know financial sites in general.

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Post 25 of 29

(NT) can the i5 imac handle that kind of security w/o antivirus

by Fuzz18500 - 11/12/09 3:11 PM In reply to: Overall specs, software packaging, bang for the buck, etc. by BeatleMegaFan

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Post 26 of 29

(NT) ha Disregard first reply title i was confused

by Fuzz18500 - 11/7/09 11:57 AM In reply to: Just your opinion, by mrmacfixit Moderator

Post 27 of 29

can you go into more detail?

by Fuzz18500 - 11/11/09 6:36 PM In reply to: That Dell, by mrmacfixit Moderator

"OS X's use of the processor is much more efficient than Windows, plus, Apple designs the logic board and the OS which makes the whole thing a much better proposition than the Dell.
Bottom line, that machine is still running Windows and will still have all the Windows problems associated with it."

Post 28 of 29

(NT) I think BMF has covered that ground already

by mrmacfixit Moderator - 11/12/09 6:44 AM In reply to: can you go into more detail? by Fuzz18500

Post 29 of 29

You don't seem to be listening

by BeatleMegaFan - 11/12/09 4:08 PM In reply to: Why do mac's have weak (256) shared graphics on most mac's by Fuzz18500

Look:

Macs account for about 10%, give or take, of the computing population. Any malware that exists for it can only harm the computer provided that the user (you) authorizes it do so. You will never catch a virus for a Mac as they don't exist. No one has spent the time to develop and unleash a true virus for the platform. OS X requires an administrator to authorize all system changes, so it would be difficult for an unfriendly program to ruin your computer or compromise your files and records if you didn't give it access. If you have a private, residential internet connection or service in your home, with a router using a standard firewall, you should have nothing to worry about whatsoever. Safari and Firefox also have built-in malware and anti-phishing features to help protect you from fraudulent sites and scams. Windows on the other hand... well, I think I'll let you Google that.

Peter and I have both said that only you can determine if a new Mac is worth it or not. It's your choice to switch. As I posted earlier, you should probably try one before you considering purchasing. If you are still confused about which is better, may I suggest a comparison or two. Or you know, you can try everyone's favorite search engine. Read some reviews of both the systems and the actual computers you are looking at and then pick which you think is best. If you still have questions, I'd recommend rereading everything we have all discussed over the past few days. And then go to an Apple Store or Best Buy. They let you try out Macs there, believe it or not. And who knows, maybe you'll find what you're looking for.

-BMF

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