Windows 7: Windows 7 issues???
Windows 7 issues???
by Dude37 - 10/22/09 8:45 PMI know this is probably posted here, but I apologize, as I have no time right now to search...
Like I ask of all MS products, is it worth it to download???
Did they ACTUALLY work out the issues before the release???
Where do you set the bar?
by R. Proffitt
- 10/23/09 5:36 AM
In reply to: Windows 7 issues??? by Dude37
Some call an issue like the loss of being able to invert colors in the Paint program. Where do you set the bar for "issues"?
Ok
by Dude37 - 10/23/09 8:48 AM In reply to: Where do you set the bar? by R. Proffitt
Good Point... I don't know... I guess issues related to crashing / succeptibility to hacking etc
Nope
by Jimmy Greystone - 10/23/09 9:20 AM In reply to: Ok by Dude37Nope, and they never will if that's what you're interested in.
Crashing is more often that not the result of either shoddy quality hardware (i.e. those $500 HP or Acer systems) and/or shoddy quality drivers.
The whole hacking thing... Let's put it this way. Companies that spend more on security than you likely make in a year, still get hacked. They have full time PROFESSIONALS whose entire job is to try and think up ways people might try and break into their network and stop them. These companies STILL get hacked into.
Now if you want to lower the bar a bit to things like malware and viruses... Then the answer is still no, and will remain no until Microsoft overhauls the entire OS from the ground up, and apps like Internet Explorer. They aren't going to do this until the economics of the situation make it such that it's cheaper for Microsoft to scrap the entire current Windows codebase and start from scratch.
While you're waiting for that to happen, you can just do simple things like not use Internet Explorer to help cut the level of risk down significantly.
ok
by Dude37 - 10/23/09 9:35 AM In reply to: Nope by Jimmy GreystoneOk, thanks... I only use IE for fantasy football, because firefox doesn't work for that (odd)... other than that, it's all firefox...
But I am seriously considering getting a Mac... only reason I haven't is because I would have to learn it all over again
Mac computers
by simplymeltd1 - 10/24/09 12:52 PM In reply to: ok by Dude37I have had Macs for years... I find them easier to deal with...
Stayed tuned.
by R. Proffitt - 10/23/09 5:44 PM
In reply to: Ok by Dude37
Hardware issues and malware still reign in the top reasons for crashes. These are items we don't see an OS to handle so nothing has changed. No better, or worse.
I had no problems with NT 3.5 to present day. But others seem to bring me all sorts of trouble. Here's what I think. We control what gets onto the machines.
Bob
Having to be all things
by bowacl - 10/23/09 8:57 PM In reply to: Windows 7 issues??? by Dude37for all people on all machine combinations is a tall order. If we all only had one type of machine it would be much easier or if Microsoft made the machine it's OS went on that would be an edge too.
What I can say is I have been using the Windows 7 Beta since it came out last Dec. on my work laptop a $399 entry level dual core Gateway I got when Vista first came out and I haven't crashed yet but I didn't have that problem with Vista either. After install I did have to hook up via Ethernet to have it download the Vista drivers for my wifi but that was easy enough. Everything else went fine.
If the computer and operating system you are using now is serving the purpose upgrading really may not be an asset for you though. Once the Beta dies in March I will be going back to Vista, it's just been fun getting a sneak peek of the new OS in the mean time.
Ok
by Dude37 - 10/23/09 10:34 PM In reply to: Having to be all things by bowaclOk, so what is the difference between a mac and pc??? I have heard that the virus creators don't attack mac's... Why not??? I installed a new HD last week, and while uploading the updates and spybot and malware bytes and AVG, I found 2 trojans... The only site I was on other than the download.com site was the windows update site... Of course I don't suspect download.com, or I wouldn't be here...
Or is Mac's security just way better than Microsoft???
Altho I have never really used any
by bowacl - 10/24/09 7:01 AM In reply to: Ok by Dude37malware or anti virus programs, accept to test them out first for others who wanted to use them, I do know they have been known to report perfectly good files as bad ones.
Mac's security is in the design of the operating system and the fact that they are a smaller target helps - it is much more fun to go after a target you know you will hit.
I have had Mac's in the house for a few years now and what I have found is that for all the things I do and have it makes it easier for me to use a PC. I do not find buying a Mac and buying Windows for it is very practical altho I did load my beta Windows 7 on the MacBook and it worked fine - it just didn't seem right. I have a large collection of assorted software and found other things are easier for me to do on a PC because of all the hook ups out of the box it offers me. I have assorted MP3 Players, digital camera, my phone card, with the Macs not having digital media card slots I found this a draw back. Another draw back is most software for a Mac costs more which I don't understand, MS Office and Quicken are my main programs and I use Expressions for work I don't even know if that comes in a Mac version. Most of my open source programs would be fine, FireFox, Thunderbird the GIMP and I could probably do some work with OpenOffice, I do ad work now and then and MS Word has always done the better job at that I find it hard to pay more or try to use something "just like it".
So as nice as a Mac might be they really aren't for everyone. It all depends on how you will use it and if you can easily adapt everything you did on a PC to it or buy new. Another side of the coin for home users is if you are just going to surf the web, email, a few docs now and then, work on your digital photos does that warrant the cost of the Mac? I know Mac users tote that OS X comes with all the software you need but so does a PC really and if it didn't there are plenty of free choices just like there are for Macs.
I support a group of about 50 pc users and accept for the teens now and then getting bit by a myspace bug we really don't have a problem with malware or viruses. They keep their computers until they feel they want to try newer tec, I just cycled out a 1998 computer, the rest are 1-9 years old.
The basic difference
by Jimmy Greystone - 10/24/09 1:11 PM In reply to: Ok by Dude37The basic difference is that Windows has tended to be a wide open platform. Use Wikipedia to look up the Melissa worm from around 2000, and the Teardrop attack from around 1995-1996. There was also the Sasser worm, and numerous minor variations on each of these attacks. All of which tended to require a trivial amount of knowledge to pull off, and resulted in very widespread chaos.
People like to claim that Macs are so little used that people just don't bother targeting them, but that idea really just doesn't hold water when you think it through. If attacks on the OS are a function of popularity, then it follows that we should have seen a marked increase in attacks on Mac systems ever since Apple's revival the last 5 years or so. We haven't.
I was never a big fan of Apple's older systems. The OS Classic line was woefully behind the times, and I give Apple credit for having the balls to basically kick everyone in the teeth and start from scratch effectively, with OS X.
The big catch is, is that you have to know what you're getting into with Macs. They're great systems, IMO, but they're not for everyone. If you're considering a Mac, you should really spend the time to research that decision fully before committing to it. Not trying to scare you off, just trying to make sure you don't go spend a grand or two on a new computer, pinning all your hopes on it, just to find that it's not even remotely what you were looking for.
ok
by Dude37 - 10/24/09 1:30 PM In reply to: The basic difference by Jimmy GreystoneOk thanks for the advice... I don't pick up myspace bugs that I know of... I remember the Sasser worm, but not the others... And if I did get a mac, it would definetely not be new the first time around... I used my friend's mac laptop when I was on vacation and I hated it... Not because Apple sucks, but it was completely foreign to me, and It took awhile to figure it out... That's what I will probably do... Get a mac and put it on the other side of the room, and keep this one going... Can I put Apple's operating system on my ASUS???
Apple's OS X
by bowacl - 10/24/09 3:53 PM In reply to: ok by Dude37can't go on any thing but a Mac, they design it solely for them. Altho it is done of course and called a Hackintoish it is against Apple's terms of use. Most of the worms referenced are designed to attack corporate systems as they would have the most effect there.
Your idea of getting a Mac and keeping your Windows computer is really the best way to do it. We will probably keep both in the house but I think that is common too. It is a matter of giving it long enough to try it - usually at least a month before you decide for sure.
The MySpace thing was related to the install of what was said it was a free anti virus program to help protect their computer and of course the kids thought it was a good thing so clicked ok, after a few days the computer was no longer even able to boot to the desktop. We only did that once.
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