Windows XP: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7?
- 11/13/09 4:33 PM
No, I'm going to stick with XP
by aaasolanki - 10/23/09 10:31 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
$200 for an OS? Who has the money to afford that?
Unless I am getting Windows 7 pre-installed anywhere I am not going for it. Damn! You get a decent desktop for $400 these days. And who's going to go through the pain of migrating all my softwares on Windows 7 and their local data, customizations? No way...
no on windows 7
by sandy4now - 10/23/09 10:40 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have computers with dos, windows 3.1, 5.0, 97, 2000, xp and mac computers, apple computers and systems I can't even remember what they are. I have computers that use 5-1/2 disc, 3-1/4 and a combination of both,computers that use cd,dvd and a mixture of all, some that are networked and some that are loaded with grafic cards that stand alone. Every time a new system comes along that is supposed to get easier to work, it seem to get more complicated. I can remember when all you had to do to put info on a disc was drag and drop and you could load a disc until it was full and I have 200 5-1/2 inch disc's over 1200 3-1/4 disc's and now I have 200 cd's because every time I create a disc and go out of it and then try to put more info on it I get a message to install an empty disc. Untill I get that problem fixed I'm not going to buy a new one.
I got Windows 7 Home Premium on October 22
by thljcl - 10/23/09 10:40 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I may consider myself as one of the early adapter of Windows Vista Home Premium although I did not use it untill more than three months later after its general availability. I've certainly read a lot complaints about how terrible Windows Vista is. Using Windows Vista for more than two years, I did not find any major issues on it. I certainly won't miss Windows XP. At the time Windows 7 beta was released, I have read a lot about Windows 7. Based on understanding, unlike Windows Vista, it doesn't have any major architecture changes, rather, it will have a lot of minor changes. For less than two hours, I quickly switched back to Windows Vista because I had several issues which made me could not put in in day-to-day use. One of the issues is that Daemon Tools is yet to be compatible in Windows 7. When WIndows 7 RC is released, I've put it in day-to-day use. It made me almost forgot about Windows Vista. As Paul Thurrott said, a lot of minor changes made a huge difference. Knowing that Windows 7 RC will shut down every two hour from March 1,2010 onwards, I'm waiting the day for the release of Windows 7. I was worried if my father would agree to pay for this new OS. Should he didn't agree, I would have no choice but to move back Windows Vista. Luckily, my father didn't say much but to give me the money to pay for this new OS. I'm really grateful. I have to say, I really like this OS, Windows 7 Home Premium.
XP works!!!!!!!!!
by Sattamander - 10/23/09 11:37 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Seeing how Vista was a major flop and given the fact that my XP computer runs just fine I have no intention of giving Mr. Gates anymore money. Bottom line, I never buy the first version of any software. That is for people who enjoy Beta testing.
XP User
by Pontingj - 10/23/09 11:43 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I plan to stay with XP until I replace by PC, when I expect to buy a new PC with Windowes 7 installed. I have run the tool to check configuration, a few items of hardware were flagged. I expect there are ways round the problems, however I do not want to spend the time investigating further.
I will never pay the "micro$oft tax" again.
by brindafella - 10/23/09 11:48 PM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Before I bought my current computer I vowed to very, knowingly, pay the "micro$oft tax" again. When I came to buying this computer I bought it at a deep discount and it came with Vista. I disabled and removed micro$oft's opt-in versions of non-free ware, and installed freeware alternatives. Vista is kept up-to-date, as is the dual-boot of Linux (Kubuntu).
Why do you call buying something "tax".
by Kees Bakker - 10/24/09 12:01 AM
In reply to: I will never pay the "micro$oft tax" again. by brindafella
Let's see.
- When you buy a car you pay tax to Toyota.
- When you buy a cup of coffee you pay tax to Starbucks.
- When you buy a mouse you pay tax to Logitech.
- When you buy a hamburger you pay tax to McDonalds.
- When you buy Windows you pay tax to Microsoft.
Yes, I see.
Kees
The Microsoft "tax"
by rbsjrx - 10/24/09 4:39 AM In reply to: Why do you call buying something "tax". by Kees Bakker
The "tax" is the cost to consumers of MS's business practices. PC makers get huge discounts on Windows OSs if they use them exclusively or almost exclusively. This lock-in policy has been well documented in various anti-trust filings both here and in Europe.
When you buy a PC, you get Windows whether you want it or not, because Microsoft subsidizes the PC makers. If any PC maker doesn't play ball, they don't get the deep discounts, so their machines cost more and are at a competitive disadvantage. It's the equivalent of a tax because if you buy a PC, but don't want Windows, you still have to pay for Windows. In your car analogy, its like having to pay for the most popular engine even if you order a car with a different engine.
The same lock-in approach is used by Intel to force PC makers to not use AMD processors. Windows and Intel aren't ubiquitous based on technical merit, but on the basis of their questionable and predatory business practices. Courts, especially in the EU, have repeatedly acted against both companies while they've been given a free ride in the U.S.
Re: Dell and Linux
by Kees Bakker - 10/24/09 5:03 AM
In reply to: The Microsoft "tax" by rbsjrx
In http://blogs.computerworld.com/14701/dell_renews_ubuntu_linux_desktop_line_up I read Dell is offering it's PC's with Windows and with Linux, for those of us that want the choice.
Doesn't this contradict your statement "When you buy a PC, you get Windows whether you want it or not".
Kees
The MS "tax"
by rbsjrx - 10/24/09 5:25 AM In reply to: Re: Dell and Linux by Kees Bakker
"In http://blogs.computerworld.com/14701/dell_renews_ubuntu_linux_desktop_line_up I read Dell is offering it's PC's with Windows and with Linux, for those of us that want the choice.
Doesn't this contradict your statement 'When you buy a PC, you get Windows whether you want it or not'."
No. The way Microsoft and Intel structure their manufacturer agreements is that they set a cap - typically in the range of 5-10%. If the total number or non-Windows or non-Intel PCs rises above the cap, the subsidies evaporate. It's not strictly a monopoly which is why they've been able to get by with it. They use the defense that it's no different than a quantity discount, yet the numbers don't support it. They will give better pricing to s small manufacturer with lower volume than to a larger manufacturer based not on the sales volume, but on the percentage of locked-in products.
Nonsense
by ThomasOl - 10/27/09 2:18 PM In reply to: The MS "tax" by rbsjrx<b>No. The way Microsoft and Intel structure their manufacturer agreements is that they set a cap - typically in the range of 5-10%. If the total number or non-Windows or non-Intel PCs rises above the cap, the subsidies evaporate. It's not strictly a monopoly which is why they've been able to get by with it.</b>
That's nonsense. Microsoft's agreements are carefully monitored by the Department of Justice. By consent decree, discounts cannot be tied to either per-processor licensing or sales of alternate operating systems (such as Linux, etc). Of course, that doesn't stop people from claiming that it's true, though. Utter nonsense.
Stay with XP
by drettig - 10/24/09 12:04 AM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
After Vista fiasco - will wait for Windows 7 dust to settle before deciding
updating to Windows 7?
by harster - 10/24/09 12:08 AM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Nope. I'm still using XP, spent a lot of time figuring out how to keep our PC functioning properly and at this point it works great. Everything's up to date and takes care of our modest needs.
When that is no longer true we'll buy a new PC with Win. 7 on it. At that time all the programs we like to use will be compatible with Win. 7 and hopefully bug free. Until then, why bother?
Staying with XP
by vkl39 - 10/24/09 12:26 AM In reply to: updating to Windows 7? by harsterI'm staying with XP Pro. I would like to address more memory and make use of my 64 bit processor, but most Microsoft software is buggy. I don't want to spend hours reinstalling my OS and other software. If I get to use Win 7 it will be on a new machine probably after SP1 or SP2. I just learned a valuable lesson when I purchased an upgrade to Expression Studio 3, and had it crash my system 3 times. All that talk about Microsoft support is a joke. I called them for help with the failed install and they asked me to give them $259 dollars before they would help to resolve the issue. Why would you pay $350 for the upgrade, then pay $259 to install it? That's $609 for an upgrade. My solution was to return it and upgrade my Adobe procucts instead. If Microsoft takes that approach to resolve Win 7 upgrade issues, the consumer is just stuck. I'm staying with XP and my next machine might be a MAC.
Vista to Windows 7.
by shahzadjamilsheikh - 10/24/09 12:24 AM In reply to: Poll: Do you plan to install Windows 7? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
No! I am no geek,and I have enough problems to contend with without having Windows 7 contributing it's fair share of problems. It's getting now that I am reluctant to upgrade anything new,for the fear of being frozen out.
It seems to be the only industry where they are allowed to charge you exorbitant prices for incomplete products.You finnish up being left with picking up the pieces. If it is not ready Bill Gates,DON'T PUT IT ON THE MARKET!!
dugsmyname.
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