Speakeasy: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize!!
No President has done as much to get rid of nuclear weapons
by EdHannigan - 10/12/09 7:35 AM In reply to: Not North Korea. Not Pakistan. Not Iran. by James Denisonas the first George Bush. Why didn't he get a Nobel?
(NT) could say same about Nixon - !
by Richard Jones
- 10/12/09 9:57 AM
In reply to: No President has done as much to get rid of nuclear weapons by EdHannigan
I don't remember actual nuclear weapons....
by EdHannigan - 10/13/09 1:25 PM In reply to: (NT) could say same about Nixon - ! by Richard Jones
being dismantled on a meaningful scale with Nixon. I was thinking about the START agreement between Bush 1 and Gorbachev, which emptied the missile silos.
For those that George the First should get the Peace Prize
by JP Bill - 10/12/09 7:48 AM In reply to: Not North Korea. Not Pakistan. Not Iran. by James DenisonIn October 1991 and January 1992, as part of the U.S./Russian Presidential Nuclear Initiatives, Russia announced that it would take several unilateral steps to withdraw and eliminate some non-strategic nuclear weapons.
Would they also give the peace prize to the Russians?
non-strategic...
by J. Vega - 10/12/09 1:28 PM In reply to: For those that George the First should get the Peace Prize by JP BillThere are two classes of such weapons. Strategic ones are like the ones used on ICBMs. The other class is called tactical and were designed for cases of limited use, rather than total warfare. The idea of using that class of weapon in a limited engagement is not a good idea, and moves to eliminate such uses is a worthy move.
RE: There are two classes of such weapons
by JP Bill - 10/12/09 1:43 PM In reply to: non-strategic... by J. VegaCorrect.
And they're all nuclear.
I do not hate Obama....
by EdHannigan - 10/9/09 7:14 AM In reply to: and you by Richard Jones
that is simply a lie. Its true that I don't think he was a good choice for President, and I believe events have confirmed that opinion. It is still legal to have opposing views, is it not?
Millions of people can't be totally wrong, can they?
Yes, they can. History is replete with examples.
And sure, the Nobel people can be a bit iffy, but saying he's done NOTHING is a stretch.
Is it? What exactly HAS he done? Wher ehas he brought peace? It's ludicrous.
Some think you have to " bring peace" to get the Peace Prize
by JP Bill - 10/9/09 7:33 AM In reply to: and you by Richard Jones
Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"
You could do "very little" and still do more(the most) than anyone else.
very little...... next to nothing...but not nothing...at least something.
Uncle Obama?
by James Denison - 10/9/09 8:22 AM In reply to: and you by Richard Jones
Let's not forget that luminaries such as Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini have also been nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize in the past. The Prize is a Joke. Ah, that peaceful "Uncle Joe" the Russians learned to love so well....
Hitler too.
by James Denison - 10/9/09 8:25 AM In reply to: Uncle Obama? by James DenisonThe Nobel Peace Prize has been a soured Joke for years, decades. Remember, it's a peace prize by one of the world's more famous gun runners and arms merchant from the past.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-tookienobel4dec04,1,1344488.story
MANY advocates of clemency for Stanley Tookie Williams note that he has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and the Nobel Prize in literature for his anti-gang work, which includes writing children's books. How could a convicted murderer and co-founder of the Crips be nominated for such prizes?
According to Nobel Prize nominating rules, any "professor of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology" and any judge or national legislator in any country, among others, can nominate anyone for a Nobel Peace Prize. Past nominees include Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini and Fidel Castro. Any "professor of literature [or] of linguistics," among others, can nominate anyone for a Nobel Prize in literature.
Naturally, many nominees have real merit. But being nominated by one or a few of the hundreds of thousands of eligible nominators is little evidence of such merit. This is especially so when the nominee is a source of controversy, and when it may seem that nominating him may prevent his execution.
Yeah, but Henry Kissinger won it the year after he helped
by Ziks511 - 10/9/09 8:34 PM In reply to: Hitler too. by James Denisonorganize the invasion of Cambodia. I don't want to re-fight the Viet Nam War here, but it was a more controversial award than this one.
Rob
Perhaps you look to Jesus if you are not sure how
by Desperado JC - 10/10/09 1:47 PM In reply to: Hitler too. by James Denisona man can be forgiven and redeemed. Stanley Tookie Williams claimed that he did just that. If what he said was true, he was standing on solid ground, and there may have been a basis for recognizing what he did to turn kids away from gangs. He was even cited by President Bush for what he accomplished.
Perhaps a question for you is "What have you done that compares to what Williams did?" Do you think that, in the end, you are better than he was?
We'll know for sure later on.
by James Denison - 10/10/09 6:16 PM In reply to: Perhaps you look to Jesus if you are not sure how by Desperado JChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams
Williams met Raymond Washington in 1969 who was from the east side of South Central, while Williams was from the west side of South Central, to form an alliance known first as the "Cribs" later to be pronounced "Crips".
Robert entered the motel office and found that his mother, his sister, and his father had all been shot; the cash register was empty. It was later determined that the Brookhaven incident netted Stanley Williams approximately one hundred and twenty dollars. Witnesses testified that Williams referred to the victims in conversations with friends as "Buddha-heads", a derogatory term for Asians.
Sims asked Williams why he had shot Owens. Williams said that he "didn’t want to leave any witnesses." Williams also said he killed Owens "because he was white and he was killing all white people." Coward testified that Williams had bragged to gang members Kevin Johnson, Mitchell Klein, and Jared Beeche about the shooting, stating, "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him. It was hilarious," as he made gurgling or growling noises and laughed about Owens’ death.
When this happened I had been working in a 7-11 store in the early 70's and already knew one worker in the next store down the street on Kennedy Ave in Tampa (previously Central Ave) who had her throat slashed. She was a young woman working her way through college. I myself had 2 guns shoved at me, one in the face, one in the gut and could have suffered the same as Tookie's victims. It was before cameras were placed in the stores.
I have no pity for "Tookie", but let Jesus, God, saints or whoever judge him in eternity as to his worthiness to enter peace.
It's easy to "become good" when you aren't "free" to do bad, such as being locked away. I leave that time for God to judge , but what we are given to judge is what is known. How long it took before the penalty for his crimes was paid and had the penalty been exacted in a timely fashion, nothing after that would have occurred as regards his life.
I have no qualms in condemning him for what he did. To not condemn him for the crimes committed and punish him accordingly would be to play God, and not to obey him as regards "putting the evil from among you".
If a murderer, in prison, was the best candidate for a peace prize they felt deserved, then what sort of insult is that to everyone else who never did such or would?
"What have you done that compares to what Williams did?"
I can say thankfully and with all confidence, I did nothing in comparison.
If you think God judges a person based on their worthiness,
by Desperado JC - 10/10/09 8:22 PM In reply to: We'll know for sure later on. by James Denisonyou are already lost.
I see you like to take things out of context. I ask what you have done that compares with Williams work to keep kids out of gangs, and you respond that you have not lived a life of violent crime. That seems dishonest to me.
Here's an idea
by James Denison - 10/11/09 7:37 AM In reply to: If you think God judges a person based on their worthiness, by Desperado JCWhy don't YOU tell us how God will judge others, and judge the world in righteousness? Then maybe WE can have a better idea of where YOU are coming from. You are pretty quick to condemn those you admit knowing little about to an eternal damnation while giving an eternal salvation pass to someone who's actions are quite well known.
If living a crime free life is dishonest, then count me guilty!
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