Windows 7: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7
- 10/12/09 3:18 PM
It is amazing!
by peterj_1992 - 10/9/09 4:46 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I running Win7 Pro RTM right now legally obtained because I'm a computer science student, and I have to say, it's fraking awesome! The new taskbar is very efficient both for space and for speed, and the pro version comes with media centre which it vista should have had in the first place. Since it was a public beta and RC, there is plenty of software which has been optimised for Win7, although there is still a few companies who are lazy and don't feel like updating it. It's very fast, there are almost no bugs or glitches, and it's just much better in almost every aspect. MS Paint was really overdue (hadn't been changed since Win95) and it is actually useful for drawing stuff now.
Still not the transformative OS to justify change.
by Bubba_Gump - 10/9/09 4:57 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have been using 32bit Windows XP since 2001, and have been Beta Testing 64bit Windows 7 since January. I still use XP as my primary OS and will continue to do so.
The reason has much to do with the fact that even with this latest incarnation of Windows, Microsoft continues to support the aging 32bit platform. Windows XP already does this, and does it well. I have my XP system tweaked and optimized, and have no interest in starting over with a new OS. Add to that, all my legacy hardware that Win7 does not support and provides no driver for (32bit driver support in their 64bit OS is desperately needed yet still lacking.) Switching to Win7... already in a plethora of VERY expensive varieties... would mean not only spending lots of money on a new OS, but more money still to replace hardware and software that Win7 does not support. Now, why on Earth would I want to do that when the new OS doesn't do anything SIGNIFICANTLY different enough to justify the expense?
Add to that its HIGHLY "protectionist" interface that asks me for confirmation every time I run/edit a file, or tells me "I don't have permission" to do something when I am the one and only user on the system, and I wonder just who DOES "have permission"? (Win7 does give you an "all or nothing" option of disabling ALL notifications, which seems to negate any benefit of the new security measures.)
Win7 does have ONE redeeming feature: support for the new "CXFS" (iirc) file system, breaking the 2Terabyte limit of NTFS, climbing to 18 "Exabytes". Never thought the "Terabyte" limit would ever be reached, let alone become restrictive.
The biggest mistake of all is to release Windows 7 in so many varieties... two or three versions of both 32bit and 64bit versions. The result is always "lowest common denominator" wins when new software is produced. Like "Windows 95" and "Windows 98", "Windows 7" should come in ONE version and one version ONLY... "64bit with all the bells and whistles". PERIOD. Programmers benefit from "commonality"... knowing EXACTLY what platform they are writing for.
Until Microsoft releases a new "64bit ONLY" operating system that finally abandons the aging 32bit platform once and for all, I have NO incentive to abandon my stable & reliable, tweaked and customized 32bit Windows XP and all the hardware and software still compatible with it.
My Expectation of Windows 7
by denloe - 10/9/09 5:10 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I expect the Windows 7 release to be of a caliber equal to XP and Microsoft to support the software for at least 7 years. I purchased a new computer in November of 2008. Although I had GREAT reservations buying Vista, I already knew that XP was losing support. Even though Microsoft offered a few upgrade paths, they chose (for some reason) not to offer a discounted upgrade for Ultimate. With the outstanding flop that Vista has proven to be, I would have thought they would want widespread adoption of 7 and would have offered incentives to everyone. Unfortunately, they aren't the only company more or less forcing updates on a regular basis. For instance, Quicken owners had to upgrade a year or two ago and can no longer import .qif files into the new software....
NO expectations!
by wippernm - 10/9/09 5:52 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Unless you have a newer pc with a visualization capable cpu, you will not be able to run the older xp compatible programs.
Are you ready to purchase all new versions of your software? So your choices: buy programs or update/purchase a computer that will continue to allow you to use your current programs.
As new operating systems are developed part of the intent is to force new hardware and/or newer software. The days of years of compatiblity is coming to an end. Watch for the future where they won't sell you programs but you will lease them. Annual fees will be a part of our computing world.
Win 7 Launch Party
by csc9710 - 10/9/09 6:33 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I expect the final release to please all but the usual dark clouds and MS haters.
I have an HP M9350f with 8gb ram, now running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. I am hosting a Win7 party. The Win 7 is compensation from MS for hosting a October Windows 7 Launch Party.
I merely liked Win 7 RC over Vista.
But with this final version, Win 7, zoom-zoom! I like speed of boot over just about everything else. This OS is speedy from cold boot to desktop in less than 40 seconds. Wireless connection is sweet (connects within a couple seconds after reaching the desktop).
MS got it right this time:) really got it right!
Time will tell
by rbsjrx - 10/9/09 7:25 PM In reply to: Win 7 Launch Party by csc9710"MS got it right this time:) really got it right!"
How long will it keep impressing you, though? How long before its 16 year old file system (NTFS is a 1993 design) fragments and your machine slows to a crawl? How long before you experience the dreaded BSOD? How much additional money will you have to invest to keep it operating correctly?
"the usual dark clouds and MS haters."
Despite appearances, I'm not so much an MS hater as deeply ambivalent. I spent most of my working life running Windows because that's what my employers and clients used. I do hate MS's business practices, but then I can say the same of Apple, Intel, and Coca-Cola. I resent having to spend good money on a technically inferior OS. I resent having to spend even more money to correct its flaws. I hate that MS hacks together Byzantine proprietary "standards" while ignoring accepted industry and international standards, just to maintain a lock on its customers. I resent the fact that their primary cash cow is selling updates, each with just enough incompatibility with previous versions to try to coerce additional sales.
In any case, neither Windows nor Linux nor Mac OS is the future of personal computers. PCs are moving to cloud applications, so desktop OSs will be largely irrelevant. If there's any winner in that it will be some variation on the theme of Google's Chrome OS. Microsoft will survive buy selling Xbox and SaaS products to compete with Google Docs. Some current desktop OSs may live on in niche markets for desktop workstations, but the future general-purpose home or office computers will most closely resemble today's netbooks.
So, why continue to pour money down the Windows rathole when Linux works better in many respects and is free? I prefer my obsolete software to be free. Your mileage may vary...
New Windows 7
by SimplyJay - 10/9/09 6:36 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have had the beta of windows 7 on my machine since July and it is so superior to Vista I cant begin to explain. I have pre-purchased the 7 and am anxious to get it installed. Just wondering if I should update my XP to 7 also, The XP runs so darn well.
Has Gates swindled us 2 minutes at a time
by TonyGottlieb - 10/9/09 7:37 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
If I could recapture the time (in 2 minute increments) I have spent waiting for unresponsive Microsoft operating systems to cycle I suspect I would have accumulated an entire year.
Bill Gates is man of great achievement and merit and though he appears to be using the great wealth he has accumulated for ostensibly humanitarian purposes. But at who's sacrifice?
Notwithstanding his many accolades Gates and his colleagues, long before Gates stepped down, were most defintely aware of the bugs, glitches the inevitable registry clogs, the integration incompatibilities and the Machiavellian strategies of their design.
None of us expected his perfection, but all too often when I am confronted with an interminable waste of my time spent waiting, debugging, rebooting and upgrading their systems, I have to wonder if Mr. Gates' status as the world's wealthiest man is truly justified or if he is simply a thief who swindled us out of our time, our productivity and our resources with a broken promise, in increments, of 2 minutes at a time.
Windows 7
by jayso - 10/9/09 8:00 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I don't care. vista is worse than mellinum edition if 7 isn't better I'm going to a mac
WinXP 64
by rbsjrx - 10/10/09 2:21 AM In reply to: win 7 by jaysoAlthough my primary machines (both Windows and Linux) all run 64-bit multi-core CPUs, I do have friends who run WinXP 64. All I've seen and heard from them is frustration. MS released WinXP 64 late in the Vista development cycle, apparently more to gain feedback about what was going into the Vista internals than as a product with much support. My friends running it report poor driver support, poor applications support, and minimal support from MS.
From my perspective, if you want a relatively reliable, well-supported, and trouble-free 64-bit Windows installation (as much as any of these terms can be applied to any version of Windows), you'd be better off with Vista or Win7 than WinXP 64. It bothers me a little that my primary Windows machine runs 32-bit WinXP on a 64-bit CPU, but when I hear friends' tales of woe trying to get support for WinXP 63, I console myself that I'm in a better place.
I used to have (I gave it away to my daughter) a Vista laptop that I eventually got running OK (after SP1 plus a lot of manual tweaking), so while I share your sentiments on Vista, I know it can be tamed enough to be usable. Since Win7 is, in essence, Vista done right (or at least better), it will probably be OK after the inevitable initial problems.
Still, in my experience, Linux has been far less trouble than any version of Windows and allows me to most of the same things. Using Wine (free) or CrossOver Linux (commercial), I can even run many Windows programs on it - e.g. MS Office and many games. In another decade, today's desktop OS wars will be as much of a quaint memory as the compiler wars of the last decades, so I have no desire to invest heavily an any dead-end technology.
Going Mac?
by FrenchyHey - 10/10/09 9:38 AM In reply to: Windows 7 by jaysoYou mean you are using your computer for only work related? What do you mean by your statement? Are you only doing mondain task i.e. banking, Office world, surfing the internet and from time to time watching a video and chat?
If you are answering yes to all this you don't need a Mac but just a PC build with good component, if you are intensive computing well you need a Mac Pro not a Mac as it won't just cut it.
If you play games definitively Mac alone don't cut the bar, if you do everything above you need at least a Mac Pro or good PC meaning, decent video card decent support from games maker, if you are in intensive video encoding, Quad core and above and Mac Pro are only option.
A good power supply, good memory stick, good HD at 7500RPM or more wit 32Mb ram onboard.
Wife watching on a net Book DVD streaming and small easy games and surfing for 300 dollars at more dollars she could have a tv tuner i.e 450 dollars we are way far on pricing then a Mac here for mondain task.
Your tough.
Windows Vista 64
by hifly.liu - 10/9/09 8:10 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Win 7 is just fine tuned Vista, so I look no necessary for my Vista 64 to upgrade to Win 7. Look on the very similar user screen between Vista and Win 7, why should I spend money on what I already have ?
So far so good...
by KandyMan114 - 10/9/09 8:26 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I've been running on the RC for a few months now.. Win7 has to be the most stable I've seen of any OS on the windows platform. I've never had to bother with drivers, finding updates or anything all though, I still find myself having to "dig" into the OS to find things I need. so far, no BSOD, knock on wood..
Expectations of the final release of Windows 7
by WmTrtt - 10/9/09 9:07 PM In reply to: Poll: Your expectations of the final release of Windows 7 by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I voted I don't care. The reason being I am perfectly happy with Windows Vista Home Premium that came installed on my laptop. I actually find all those security methods quite handy, especially when my nephews & nieces use my laptop when they come to visit. One of them will download all kinds of things (especially video clips), and I know not all of them are virus-free or spyware-free.
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