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Panasonic G10 or V10?
by mtbiker278 - 8/9/09 11:31 AMHello all,
I've been shopping for a new TV for a couple of weeks now doing research and looking at prices. I've settled on getting a Panasonic Plasma TV, but I've having trouble devidin between the V10 and G10. I know that the V10 is essentially the same as the G10, but with more picture adjustments, 96Hz 24p playback, and a couple extras.
So my question is for someone that has never really watched Blueray it is worth the extra money for the 24p playback? Also, do the additional picture settings really make that much of a difference if I don't plan on having the TV professionally calibrated?
Thanks for the Help!,
D
They both do 24p in
by givemeaname - 8/9/09 12:37 PM In reply to: Panasonic G10 or V10? by mtbiker278It is just do you want 96hz or 60hz or 48hz. I have the G10, 48hz is like sitting in a movie theater with the flicker... I do not like that so I have it set at 60hz works just fine on a 54" at 7.5 ft, there is no jutter or flicker at 60hz 24p.
For the extra adjustments... It is not really needed, at lease on the 54" or unders, it is so close out of the box in THX mode there not lots to do, Custom is very nice too. Mine had a 'bad' green push but simply droping the 'Tint' -17 for Bluray (THX mode) and -14 for Satlite (Custom mode) fixed it, the other stuff was maybe 2 or 3 clicks up or down and that was it. One of the thing I was worried about getting the G10 over the V10 was lack of white balance but whites are white and blacks are black out of box on the G10.
in contrast to givemeaname's post
by jostenmeat - 8/9/09 1:23 PM In reply to: Panasonic G10 or V10? by mtbiker278I say get the V. You are talking roughly $300 more, but not only does it get you distinguishably better blacks, it's also Pana's best plasma ever made. Perhaps the first that starts to rival Kuro's best. The max black or whites, or even color accuracy won't quite match Kuro Elites, however, it's been said that the shadow detail between is better on this Panny.
for me, there's no question I'd cough up the extra few hundred. I use a projector, and to take the next step up in either black detail or contrast usually means an increase of at least $1,000.
here is a direct comparison of G vs V. Look at the picture of them side by side, and you can easily see how the V is darker. The title of this article:
The New King of HDTV's: Panasonic's TC-P54V10 Reviewed
http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hdtv-displays-panasonics-tc-p54v10-reviewed/458/
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by givemeaname - 8/9/09 7:59 PM In reply to: in contrast to givemeaname's post by jostenmeatThe photo of the two tv's... My G10 blacks looks just like the V10 in the photo... My room has the same lighting in the day time and my G10 blacks are to the point (in the daytime) that you have to check the red light to see that it is on or off....
Maybe they got a bad G10???
I highly doubt it
by jostenmeat - 8/9/09 10:36 PM In reply to: .... by givemeanamePics don't mean much, unless they show both displays side by side. One example is here:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/panasonic/pt-ae3000u/image.php
scroll down about 1/3. You'll see three side by side shots. The same 3000 is in all three shots, but each one has a different darkness. What matters is how it compares side by side. If sole pics were actually accurate representations, then the Epson would be darker than the JVC, and that's false. If the JVC and Epson were side by side, the JVC would be darker.
What matters is that they're side by side.
The first article about the G/V does mention that their instruments can't even pick up the difference, but to their eyes it's obvious.
24p playback?
by mtbiker278 - 8/10/09 5:26 AM In reply to: I highly doubt it by jostenmeatI've been going to a couple of the BestBuy stores around town trying to see this 24p playback at 96Hz. Needless to say no one in the store really knows what I'm talking about. It's kind of sad really when that is their job and all I did was 5 mintues of research on-line... oh well. Anyways, I haven't been able to see the 96Hz playback mostly because they Blu-ray player isn't putting out a 1080p/24 signal. When I go to the menu on the TV the 24p Direct In option is grayed out. One set was hooked up with component cables, but I don't think that affects the 24p playback as it's usually the source signal that dictates what the TV will recognize (correct me if I'm wrong).
Needless to say I'm still flip-flopping. I'm in no rush to buy at the moment and I'm actually hopeing there's going to be some Labor Day sales soon.
On a side note, any suggestions on how to dog proof this set? I have a 90lbs lab/hound mix with a vicious tail. I'm thinking of getting a wall mount or a raised flat mount TV-stand to get the set out of his reach.
Thanks,
D
"their job"
by R. Proffitt
- 8/10/09 5:33 AM
In reply to: 24p playback? by mtbiker278
Sadly their job is to move boxes. The better staff may know a little more but if you must ask this question, pick the phone and call the maker of the set and hope for the best.
Besides that. It's a bit of an issue what the 4 frames should contain if you are playing a 24p frame at 4 times the rate. Should it be just the 4 same frames? Or if not, how would you know what data to present for the other 3 frames?
Bob
you're correct
by jostenmeat - 8/10/09 11:49 AM In reply to: 24p playback? by mtbiker278Some people even go to the extent in demanding that their player can FORCE 24p, even when the source material is not. I'm still not sure why they demand that, but anyways.
The difference you will see between 24p-multiple and 60p will be very dependent on how good the 3:2 pulldown is. The better it does that, the less of an improvement you will see. The whole point of having a multiple of 24 is so there is no 3: 2pulldown. Of course, 120 is a common denominator of both 60 and 24.
I say wall mount the TV. Hide your electronics, or put them in a discrete place, vertically racked. Get a URC $85 RF system, long hdmi from monoprice. Then, if you want the truly ideal sound system, get three identical speakers for your front 3, on the same plane, vertically oriented. Ideal horiz dispersion, ideal TRUE acoustic match, even height of drivers for best panning possible, and no large cabinet to cause unwanted diffractions of your audio, most likely ruining imaging, etc.
I got the V10...
by dano_48 - 8/11/09 9:23 AM In reply to: Panasonic G10 or V10? by mtbiker278I'm very happy with the V10 and went with the Custom settings recommended on CNET (with a slight increase of 2-3 units on the reds), plus I've used the 96Hz24p and it has been outstanding. I'm watching via the LG390 BluRay and all is right with the world.
Waiting for a sale
by mtbiker278 - 8/12/09 5:30 AM In reply to: Panasonic G10 or V10? by mtbiker278Well I'm still in the process of making up my mind but if the price is right I'll probably go for the V10. Right now I'm holding out for store sales around Labor Day, or at least I hope there will be some. I've seen the 50" V10 listed online for around $1800 with curb-side delivery.
As for the audio system I'll probably wait till around Xmas to make some additions. Most likely it will be nothing fancy (Soundbar?) since my living room is relatively small, and hooking up a 5.1 or 7.1 system would be kind of ridiculous.
Thanks all for the help and opinions.
One last question:
Does anyone have a PS3 hooked up to this set? Most likely it will be my choice for a Blu-ray player 
Thanks again,
D
OT If you aren't a gamer also look at the new Oppo
by Pepe7 - 8/12/09 7:08 AM In reply to: Waiting for a sale by mtbiker278It's a sight to behold for a standalone BD player.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/
hth,
Pedro
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