Mac rumors and speculation : Are Apple's notebook computers really that good?
No!
by msgale - 8/24/08 11:28 AM In reply to: (NT) Meh. It's standard ia32 hardware. by 3rdalbumNo!
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by BeatleMegaFan - 8/24/08 1:19 PM In reply to: No! by msgaleNo what? While Apple's offerings are based on the same architectures and hardware as many PCs, Apple has seen to it that their chipsets and whatnot are still unique to their machines. That way, OS X only runs on their products. 3rdAlbum is partially correct in this, though I think that most Intel Macs are 64-bit capable because Leopard pack it in. Future Macs will be able to make more use of 64-bit tech than the current crop of machines.
Stating "no" without an explanation isn't going to get you anywhere. Apple is using the same or similar hardware as their competitors. But Apple's modifications, if you could say that, and their system make it "that good".
-BMF
Complete Answer
by msgale - 8/24/08 3:28 PM In reply to: ? by BeatleMegaFanAre Apple's notebook computers really that good? Simple question, to which I replied with a simple direct complete answer - No, which is a complete answer.
Unfortunately, your complete reply
by mrmacfixit
- 8/24/08 4:58 PM
In reply to: Complete Answer by msgale
was actually an answer to the previous post, the one about ia32 hardware and not to the original question.
If you take a look at your post you will see that it says, "In reply to: (NT)Meh. Its standard ia32 hardware"
That's where the confusion arose.
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Ah
by BeatleMegaFan - 8/24/08 5:09 PM In reply to: Complete Answer by msgaleso you accidentally replied to 3rdalbum. I see. I thought you were trying to make a correction of sorts. My mistake.
Alright then. I would disagree with you, since I think that their combo of hardware and software is really good. The hardware by itself is "good enough", but in terms of design, they are quite nice. Just my thoughts.
-BMF
Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations.
by Yirmin - 8/25/08 6:24 AM In reply to: Are Apple's notebook computers really that good? by NlimitedFirst step is determining what your going to be doing when you get out of school. Lets face it college isn't the end of the line its just prep for the real world. To that end you shouldn't spend 4 years getting used to a Mac if you'll be going to a job that uses windows or vice versa... People often say that it isn't hard to swap from one machine to another but it isn't really that easy.
If you are going to be in a advertising graphics artist type job after college then a mac might make sense. Those are really about the only places that embrace Macs like crazy. Otherwise businesses use Windows, and boot camp can help some but it isn't perfect. For one thing a macbook only has one mouse button, windows has a left and right which means a laptop made for windows will do things a macbook running bootcamp can't do (no right mouse button).
If you want any games, guess what, most are made for windows not for mac... in the end you'll find that macs are the favorite for the Paris Hilton types of the world... they have lots of money to waste and not enough brain power to use a real computer. I think its why they push macs to elementary schools because they are toys for kids not machines for adults.
One reason why you can do without a second button
by mrmacfixit - 8/25/08 4:57 PM
In reply to: Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations. by Yirmin
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html
Check it out, it's called Multi-Touch and lets you do as much, actually much more, that you can do with a right clickable mouse.
Worth a look
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All Macs have had right click since the late 90's.
by minimalist - 8/26/08 10:25 AM In reply to: Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations. by YirminAnd for the last 3 years all desktop Macs ship with a multibutton button mouse. The Macbooks have something Windows laptops all need to adopt: multitouch.
One finger on the trackpad moves the mouse, two fingers scroll the window in any direction your desire. Hold two fingers on the track pad and tap with your thumb gives your a right click context menu that is useful for both lefties and righties.
Oh good grief.
by minimalist - 8/26/08 10:47 AM In reply to: Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations. by Yirmin"... in the end you'll find that macs are the favorite for the Paris Hilton types of the world... they have lots of money to waste and not enough brain power to use a real computer. I think its why they push macs to elementary schools because they are toys for kids not machines for adults.."
Oh good grief drop the posturing.
Will wasting time maintaining the computers in my office make me some sort of "real man". I've got some news for you about the "real world". "Real" adults who run "real" businesses use Macs all the time. Wasting time on computer maintenance is not something any businessperson who values their time wants to do.
Macs are certainly not "toys" and running a Windows machine is not some testament to a person's maturity.
The numbers
by msgale - 8/26/08 12:14 PM In reply to: Oh good grief. by minimalistAccording to Gartner, Inc. Apple's first quarter 2008 sales were 6.6 percent of the US market. That put then in fourth place after Dell, HP, and Acer. In world-wide sales Apple was not in the first five position of sales. Put another way, in the US for every apple sold about fifteen Wintels are sold. I do not know or care what Paris Hilton does, but I do know that CSC Verizon, and Lockheed Martin a basically PC or UNIX shops.
Nobody ever claimed that Windows systems aren't more common.
by minimalist - 8/26/08 3:59 PM In reply to: The numbers by msgaleAnd my comments were only a response to the ridiculous claim that Macs are somehow pretty "toys" that are useless in the "real world". Whether Lockheed Martin buys windows systems has little to to with the question at hand: are Macs worth the price and are they as good as people claim?
Macs run Windows...
by cnet.aaron
- 8/4/09 3:07 PM
In reply to: The numbers by msgale
Has anyone brought up the fact that you can run Windows on a Mac? Or that OS X is UNIX? Because you can, and it is.
In fact, you can run a whole host of guest operating systems on a Mac with BootCamp, VMWare, and Parallels.
In addition, there are technologies like WINE that enable you to run Windows applications without installing Windows.
Can you do that on a PC?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you
by Larry Launstein Jr - 8/8/09 11:16 AM In reply to: Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations. by YirminThe biggest reason I got the MacBook (and Mac Mini) was because I wanted the best of both worlds - having both Mac and Windows capability. I don't feel like I have to buy a PC just to run Windows stuff anymore. To me, it is worth it cost-wise to have a computer that runs both platforms. And I don't have to stop using one to use another.
Um, what?
by d_adams - 8/16/09 3:47 PM In reply to: Your paying for the logo, and getting limitations. by YirminOk, so you just said Macs only have 1 mouse button?? NO they have two. All of them have two. Just enable the second one in "Settings". It only looks like they have one, because the buttons aren't separated. In fact, the new macbook pros have the buttons built into the touchpad, so it looks like they have no buttons.
NO GAMES FOR MAC?? Just about every common game i've ever seen, has a Mac version. OR JUST USE VMWare Fusion or bootcamp to run Windows games.
Simple toys? Excuse me! Ok, So, tell me one thing Windows CAN do that Mac OS X CAN"T? I've got full MS office integration (MS Office For Mac), all sorts of fancy network security features for business network integration, hardware expansion capabilities, AND all the fancy media editing stuff.
I don't know about boot camp, but I am running XP in VMWare fusion with VMWare tools installed, and it's just like using it on a fancy laptop PC. I have full access to all the external ports, all my internal hardware capabilities (3D graphics, dual core, wireless airport card, as much memory as I want, etc). I can run any program or game with no problems. It just works. However, I personally think it's kind of scary to look at my beautiful MacBook Pro 13", and see the the horribly old fashioned Windows XP GUI sitting there on the screen!
BTW, I don't have ANY money right now!
Lastly, if you do buy a Windows computer, it's not likely to last long enough to be of use after college, so be ready to buy another one then too!
Finally, Don't get me wrong, I have used a PC ever since I started using computers. My parents got a Mac when the old PC they used quit working (I mean, quit, when i say quit, even I couldn't fix it, and I'm considered somewhat of a computer authority in the county I live in). At first, I was like you. I thought that something as simple and "cool" looking couldn't possible be a professional quality machine. Boy was I wrong. It took me 3 more years to get converted, but I finally did this Summer. Don't be deceived by looks, these machines are powerful. They have complex software covered by a simple, elegant, intuitive GUI, and hardware that (unlike many cheaper PCs) doesn't just look good on paper, but works great in real life too.
Final note: Sorry for drifting a little off-subject. I get carried away sometimes...
The Mac is the better choice; trust me
by 5relaw17 - 8/27/08 2:01 PM In reply to: Are Apple's notebook computers really that good? by NlimitedHello,
The Mac is by far the best platform to go with. It may not have a whole bunch of games available for it (but you could just install windows on it) but it's probably the best investment you will make. The plethora of software that comes out of the box (iLife and a few x-tras) is phenomenal. As of October 26, 2006, I've been a happy Mac user and always will be. Mac OS X is definitely the better way to go. I have a 2006 24-inch iMac and a brand new MacBook Pro; i love them both and will never own a PC again. As far as editors adding more points because of the apple brand, those are not "extra points." The mac is definitely worth the extra cash. Our school used iMac G3's from 2000 all the way until leopard came out. Macs are very reliable and you get more bang for the buck. I've only had to call AppleCare once in the history of both of my computers; the issue was an error on my part. AppleCare customer support is very helpful and they get the job done. I'm not trying to sound like an obnoxious Apple fanboy and exaggerate the benefits of a Mac; but macs just simply work. Joining a network is a cinch. For a wired network, it's essentially plug and play. Wireless is the easiest; click the Airport in the menu bar, find the name of your network, enter the password for it, and you're in. The computer will recognize this as a previously visited network, so you don't have to enter/remember the password every time. Speaking of passwords, OS X has a built-in utility called "keychain access." Any passwords you use, OS X automatically stores it in one place. As long as you can remember your system password, it's just a matter of copy-paste. I'd also like to add that the iWork software that you can buy is simply amazing. Also, there is A TON of legit freeware available for OS X. But if you're debating as to whether you should get a cheaper PC or a more expensive Mac, just put it into perspective, for the PC, how much money you'll shell out for an anti-virus program, premium apps similar to Safari, iChat, iPhoto, iMovie, iDvd, (especially) GarageBand, iCal and iWeb. Factor the software alone into the equation and you will find that the Mac is the better bargain. The Finder (functions as Windows Explorer) is dead easy to use; it's a drag and drop sensation 
But all of this is just my opinion. I would STRONGLY urge you to go for the Mac. If you would like to ask me ANY questions about my MacBook Pro, or just my Mac experience in general, I'd be more than happy to reply. I hope this helps
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