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Peripherals: OEM inkjet cartridges vs. third-party ink cartridges and refills?
- 7/17/09 2:48 PM
Third party ink supply is a good alternative way.
by sanggnas - 7/18/09 4:22 PM In reply to: Epson won't allow third party ink by fasquakThis is a confident message to all ink jet printer users.
Over the course of 2 years I have been using third party ink supply for my ink jet printer which is Epson RX595.
I bought this printer for all most nothing which was 49.99 CND, well Epson thinks selling this 6 cartridge printer for that kind of money is like give it away. They think we will pour some money in their pocket latter by keep buying the OEM cartridges, because the printer will not recognize ANY non Epson cartridge, even if we drilled hole and refill them because each cartridge has a computer chip built in.
This remarkable photo printer has excellent resolution even on printable blank CD-DVD. I bought the CISS (Continuous Ink Supply System) consists of 6 separated containers, each container has volume of 100ml of ink color, all connect by 6 tiny gel hose to 6 cartridges.
Depend who you buy it from, my has auto reset chip built-in. When the printer warns to replace cartridge(s), I just lift 6 cartridge out, put them back in, turn the printer off for 2 minutes, turn it on, the printer starts to diagnose or alignment the print heads then it's ready for the print job.
I have been went through many pictures, DVD covers and DVD, CD itself. Right now I am waiting for my order of 6 refill bottles arrive, and this is my second refill.
My family and I are so happy which this printer and especially the CISS bought from eBay, The CISS was available long time on eBay, you can search one for your printer and read the comments from those happy users include myself before thinking throw that expensive ink jet and looking for color laser printer.
Trust me, I will respond your email if needed, because Ink jet printer to me is just a highway robbery, period.
CSI ink System
by Derek R - 7/22/09 3:42 AM In reply to: Third party ink supply is a good alternative way. by sanggnasMy CSI system does not even require the removal of the the cartridges it just automatically resets itself then automatically goes through the normal priming system. My system has been in for years and I have never removed the cartridges.It will even do this in the middle of a long run print.Cost of ink per cartridge is approx 8 cents. Derek R
Sure it does
by sweet frosty - 7/18/09 8:55 PM In reply to: Epson won't allow third party ink by fasquakI used a third party ink on my epson stylus cx5800f series for years. It always allowed me to use the third party ink. All it ever asked was do I really want to use generic ink. It showed it as a generic ink and always showed the ink levels. I did finally give up the third party ink when a cartridge leaked like a sieve. The best thing to do at that time was to toss the printer. I have a new epson which for now I use the epson ink. But rest assured one day I will likely go back to the third party ink from the same vendor.
Lexmark same...
by morrie 52 - 7/19/09 7:52 AM In reply to: Epson won't allow third party ink by fasquakTry refilling a Lexmark and the same thing happens,see you buy cheap then they soak you on the cartridges,see more about said---
http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/printer/51393
Third Party in cartridges for Epson 12 years
by fasquak - 7/18/09 6:38 AM In reply to: Third party ink cartridges. by wakleemI purchased a bunch of third party ink for my Brother and Epson. My Epson 420cn is very fussy about them. I've gotten by the error messages in the past, but for some reason when I put a new generic cartridge in this time I can't seem to get past the "does not recognize" message. I cant close it and restarting doesn't work. Any ideas?
Can't clear message
by nearone - 7/20/09 7:53 AM In reply to: Third Party in cartridges for Epson 12 years by fasquakGo to Epson.com You have to ask support for it. It is not in their FAQ's. Should be.
They have a download that will clear the event and it won't show up again. Hope you didn't throw the cartridges away.
And, by the way, you can put scotch tape on the cartridge if it is open, covering the punctured hole and it should last 6 months on the shelf. It will just puncture the scotch tape when you insert it and form a good seal.
The newer Epson printers do not stop you. They simply ask if you want to continue with the compatible cartridge. Say YES and OK
I sent some nasty messages to Epson about this same problem, but when you run the download, the problem goes away.
Be prepared for the "Parts in this printer have reached the end of their serviceable life" And, the printer just quits in the middle of whatever you were printing. They have a download and instructions for that one also. It is in the FAQ's (Can you believe built-in obsolescence?)
I have a similar experience
by psedog - 7/10/09 6:34 PM In reply to: OEM inkjet cartridges vs. third-party ink cartridges and refills? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I bought a canon printer in 2003 and tried to use offbrank ink in 05. That printer head died shortly after. I have blamed the ink ever since.
I bought a Canon MP500 in 2005 and it still works today 
I've only used OEM ink from pacificink dot com.
I'll take years of quality prints over a cheap ink refill any day
The only way I would try off brand again is if I didn't want the printer again and needed an excuse to replace it 
Pacific Ink same as Canon?
by pvsurfer - 7/17/09 7:13 PM In reply to: I have a similar experience by psedogAren't PacificInk.com cartridges off-brand?
off market ink cartridges and refill ink
by Cirrus72 - 7/17/09 7:41 PM In reply to: I have a similar experience by psedognever again My printers work on the ink from the manufacturers, and die on the off market cartridges and refills. I have a perfectly good Canon printer that went down for the sake of trying to save a couple of bucks.
Canon printers and refilled cartridges
by kusarininja - 7/27/09 4:55 AM In reply to: I have a similar experience by psedogHiya all
I have 3 canon printers, IP4000, ip4300 and an IP3300. I've used refilled cartridges for years (ones I have refilled myself as I actually work in the refilling/remanufacturing business). I would not use compatible cartridges as I have no way of knowing what ink is in those cartridges.
The IP4000 is around 5 years old and has not given me any trouble with refill inks at all. The IP4300 and IP3300 are around a year old and again no problems at all.
I put refill carts in the IP4300 from day 1 of buying it. The oems were put aside. I did some test prints to show customers to our shop what the quality is like. The printer was then boxed up again and put away as It was bought for a backup for when my 4000 is due to be serviced. 5 months down the line i need to do a large print run for a friend so I set up the 4000 and 4300 togther and printed out on both for speed. The 4300 printed fine first time even though it's been boxed for 5 months doing nothing with refilled cartridges in. Try and do that with an epson or any other printer for that matter.
Yes there are some really inferior inks out on the market. Plus a lot of the refill kits are in my opinion bogus because 1 ink does not fit all. I have seen refill kits that state that it will work with hp epson and canon. 1 ink will not work across the board due to various thickness, viscosity, heating temperatures of ink, speed of machine, dpi etc..
that's my tuppence worth anyway
The inks we use for the canon cartridges are superb and I would never ever buy an OEM cartridge for my canon printers again.
Third-party ink cartridges
by Sunnycover - 7/10/09 6:34 PM In reply to: OEM inkjet cartridges vs. third-party ink cartridges and refills? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
You mentioned having trouble with after-market cartridges for Canon printers. About a year ago I bought a Canon MX700 Multi-function machine (very nice machine by the way). Anyway, with the exception of one black cartridge from the OEM, I've either used refills from a local refiller or original cartridges I've refilled myself. So far I've had absolutely no problem with these non-OEM options, except for the fact that, when I refill the cartridge myself, the machine continues to tell me that the refilled cartridge is empty. (I buy bulk ink online, from Computer Friends, someplace in Oregon). So, this is not proof, just anecdotal experience from one user. The only thing I'd say is that these printers are so cheap, about $100 these days, that it makes very good sense, to my mind, to take a chance on after-market ink. Doesn't take too many refill savings to pay for the cost of a new machine.
I agree
by Joe M. Winters - 7/10/09 9:15 PM In reply to: Third-party ink cartridges by SunnycoverThird party Ink suppliers would not remain in business if their product didn't work, and most of them will help you solve any problems. They are afterall interested in staying in business. I have a solution, and that is to after every third replacement use the manufacuters ink. They make sure that using a catruidge other than theirs will not be recognised. I have two Epson printers, and Two Canon Printers. While the Canon printers require only two refills, opposed to six on the Epson's the print reproduction on the Canon is acceptable.
Refill business is lucky
by ehermanson - 7/17/09 10:44 PM In reply to: I agree by Joe M. WintersRefilling ink cartridges is a very bad idea. The only way these businesses stay in business is that the OEMs over engineer the cartridges in the first place.
HP, Canon and most of the manufacturers use a thermo-technology process for getting ink out of the cartridge and onto the paper. This is done by super heating a tiny wire in each of the nozzles that are being fired. Since the wire is constantly being heated and cooled, the life of these wires is limited. Eventually, the wires break and pixels begin to disappear. The "normal" life of these wires is caculated to the amount of ink in the cartridge. Fortunately for the refilling business, the wires typically last longer than the ink, so the refilling businesses hopes that this will continue so that they can make money.
Epson uses piezo eletric technology to squirt ink out of the nozzles. They accomplish this by sending an electric impulse to a very small disk. This disk flexes and forces a droplet of ink out of the nozzle. As with the thermo technology, the disk will eventually wear out and stop functioning. Epson has this times to occur when the ink is all used up, but the disks are over engineered and this is what the refillers count on.
So why is it a bad idea to refill if the wires or disks are over engineered? The first reason is that the nozzles are very small and could clog after the normal end of life. The second, and more important reason, is that there is no guarentee that the parts will continue to be over engineered. Without warning, the parts could stop functioning at the end of life and making the quality of the print very bad or none existant.
If you would like to understand more about the technology of inkjet printing, http://www.inkjetcartridges.com/_Info-How-Inkjet-Printers-Work.html has the complete explaination.
OEM v Remanufactured v Refilled
by LionsMike - 7/18/09 7:45 AM In reply to: Refill business is lucky by ehermansonSeveral printers ago I had a Cannon which I could refill with absolute confidence once, a high degree of confidence a second time, and almost no confidence a third time. That saved a bundle of money.
I then went to a HP printer. Refilling was difficult and often a waste so I went to remanufactured cartridges and After market or remanufactured cartridges. I never knew if the cartridges at Staples, OfficeMax, Circuit City, and others were remanufactured or cheap copies, but I could tell the difference in print quality.
I also noticed that when using the remanufactured cartridges on ink intensive printouts, I had to remove the page before the next one fell on top of the wet ink and smudged it.
In most cases it was not worth the savings when I had to limit printing to one copy at a time. I ran two printers one with the cheap ink cartridges for draft printing and one for quality printing.
BTW Don't try to print photos with a laser printer. If you have the room get a cheap monochrome laser printer and a good photo quality printer. nearly every program offers you the ability to choose your printer in the first box that pops up after you strike the print button.
resetting printer after ink refill
by Aley Miranda - 8/21/09 6:45 PM In reply to: Third-party ink cartridges by SunnycoverI have a Canon pixma mp 800. After I put my refilled ink cartridges in place and shut the lid, and the machine goes through 'it's little thing', I then hold the stop/reset button down. The orange light comes on and I keep holding it down until the light stops blinking, thus resetting it. I do check the cartridges often to make sure they still have plenty of ink in them. I do a lot of printing. I use ink from www.printerfillingstation.com located in Loganville, Ga. I am very satisfied.
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