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Dell: New order NIGHTMARE m1730

by bradsenff - 5/25/09 5:05 PM
Post 1 of 26

New order NIGHTMARE m1730

by bradsenff - 5/25/09 5:05 PM

I am turning here, to post my complete and utter dissatisfaction with Dell, after attempting to place an order, and actually RECEIVE the ordered item. Below is the LONG story, that I think covers all of the main points.

April 29th, I placed an order through Dell Home / Home & Office for a new Dell XPS m1730 Laptop. The order I placed was for a very high end configuration, and was priced over $3000. At the time, I had an estimated delivery date of May 9th. Since it was within two weeks, I opted for the "free" 3-5 day shipping.

At that time, I also ordered some printer cartridges, a couple of USB Wireless Network adapters, and a Wireless Access Point.

The printer cartridges were delivered, very quickly. The wireless gear was delayed. My laptop showed "In Production". I waited, and as the delivery date got closer, I was emailed with the first delay.

It would now be May 11th. Two days, no problem. One week after that, I received ANOTHER delay notice, for both the laptop and the wireless gear. New Date: May 29th. I opted to cancel the wireless portion of the order, and get it locally for both less time and money.

I opted to keep the laptop order going, but seeing that the online configuration tool no longer had the particular options I had ordered, I decided to shoot them an email, and ask if the new configuration options were available, and if we can just adjust my order. I figured that maybe if I selected some different options, the delays would be resolved, and I'd get it sooner. I was told "No, sorry, but once it is in production, NOTHING can be done.. You must wait until you receive it, return it, and re-order if you wish to make changes".

I did not want to wait for that process, so I just left it.

Last week, I looked at the status online, and yet again, the laptop had been delayed. This time, the email said I had to respond, either by calling or replying to the email, or the order would be canceled.

I called. After going through 7 transfers, I finally spoke to a manager in customer service who understood what was happening. I went through every detail of my order, and asked if ANY of it was on back order. He assured me that the delays were not due to parts being unavailable, but that there was a large amount of orders for this system type, and that demand was making up the delays.

After expressing my complete dissatisfaction, and working through it, I requested that my order have expedited shipping, at Dell's expense, so that when it actually DID get completed, I could get the system as fast as possible. After many attempts to get me to accept the previous explanation that "In Production" means NOTHING can be changed, and the order could not be adjusted in any way, I finally stated unequivocally that it was NOT acceptable to have 3 delays, and no ability to even update the shipping method.

The manager then suddenly had another option available to him, and he assured me he would do what he could, and that there were no guarantees. I was explicit: Just get it here quicker, I'm not canceling or changing anything otherwise.

He said he'd get back to me within 48 hours. The next day, I checked the website, and sure enough, the shipping method was updated to Next Business day, and the delivery date was as previously noted (June 5th).

Today, I logged in, and the order was listed as canceled. Ridiculous! I called the order notify number listed in the email I received (which wasn't even sent until I logged into the system to check status).

I am transferred all over, and "escalated" to a manager. All of the people involved blamed me for the order being canceled. They say that I failed to respond, and it was "auto-canceled". I explained OVER & OVER that I did respond, by CALLING, not replying to the email. They were able to SEE that I spoke with someone that day, and that the shipping was updated to Next Business Day as a result of my call.

After talking with 4 people, here is where my order sits:

1) "I'm sorry, but once an order is canceled, we cannot do anything to resolve it, you must re-order"
2) I asked to be escalated. I spoke with a manager, who assured me they would do what they could. After an hour of holding, and explaining, it seemed like I had progress.
3) The manager came back, and said they would do a NEW order, expedite the build, as well as shipping. They assured me this was the best, fastest, and easiest way to resolve the issue.
4) I relented, and went down that path.

Now, I am being told that the majority of what I had ordered isn't available. The configurations aren't possible, and I should just find something else that I can accept in its place.

I'm livid, but at this point, I'm a full month into this, without ANY order now, and no idea how long it will take to complete this 'new' order. I go through the website, look at the options available, and figure out that even though the X9000 extreme processor isn't available, I can just get a T9500. The 9800 (1GB) SLI options aren't available, but I do see an 8800 version - to be honest, I don't know WHERE it was, it may have been home, it may have been small business. I have both types of accounts.

After getting the parts list together, I sent it off to the manager who requested I research a comparable system. She calls me back, and says that she cannot even find the 8800, and that some of the other items that were involved in my list cannot be chosen either, even though I found them online.

At this point, I have asked to be escalated again. I told her that this isn't even remotely "OK", we're not even building a machine that is close to what I was expecting to get. She says she needs to transfer me to customer care, for the escalation. Once transferred, I hear someone pick up, and then they hang up on me.

The 2nd manager is convinced my delays and problems with the original order was due to parts availability, when the guy I talked to 3 days prior said it wasn't. Nobody knows WHAT the issue is, nor do they seem to care.

I want to spend a large sum of money, for a current, high end, laptop. I have TRIED giving this business to Dell again, only to have this nightmare. The Indian call centers continually pass the buck from one group to the next, and nobody has the ability, authority, or desire to actually fix the problem.

If ANYONE has some sort of contact information for someone at Dell who wants to actually resolve my issue, and complete the sale, please feel free to contact me. My email address is brad at senff dot net.

Any advice as to how to get this entire story to someone who is actually responsible for sales, and support, would be greatly appreciated.

-
Brad Senff

Post 2 of 26

brad

by jkoorts - 6/4/09 3:40 PM In reply to: New order NIGHTMARE m1730 by bradsenff

Ever heard of people being killed in road rage? well, if Dell had to have shops then this would have been the story made the headlines that provoked a fatal incident at a Dell shop that one day....

Dude i would have cancelled the order and go to Alienware.

Post 3 of 26

Get a different laptop

by vbui2000 - 6/4/09 4:25 PM In reply to: New order NIGHTMARE m1730 by bradsenff

Hey Brad...I would be steamed as well if I were in your situation. Since you're looking to spend some money for a high end laptop, I would check out this company, www.xoticpc.com Read their forum for other users opinions.

Post 4 of 26

New order NIGHTMARE m1730

by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff - 6/5/09 6:27 AM In reply to: New order NIGHTMARE m1730 by bradsenff

Hi, Brad.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. I will get with you in email and see what can be done.

Post 5 of 26

found your orders

by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff - 6/5/09 7:26 AM In reply to: New order NIGHTMARE m1730 by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff

Brad.

I was able to have a sales escalations agent here in Round Rock find your order numbers by customer name search. We are currently researching what is wrong and what we can do. The tool she uses to check order status is indicating the order is on "Engineering hold." She is checking to find out exactly what that means as it pertains to this order, and what we can do about it. I have worked with her for 6 years. She will find out what's going on and get us all the help she can. Thanks for your patience.

Post 6 of 26

moving things along

by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff - 6/5/09 8:26 AM In reply to: found your orders by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff

I have been in contact with the appropriate groups at Dell and have the process moving along. I am waiting on one final piece of information. I will get with you in email when I have all my ducks in a row and provide a more detailed update. Thanks for your patience.

Post 7 of 26

Update

by bradsenff - 6/5/09 11:01 AM In reply to: moving things along by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff

Bill, thanks for the responses and help thus far.

The current news on my order is as follows:
I finally caved, and placed another order. The resulting configuration was pretty much the same cost, but 2 steps down on video card revision, and 1 step down on processor. The video card part was the toughest part of my decision - the second most difficult part was that the current pricing (05/29/09) was pretty much the SAME as what I was going to pay previously, for a much more powerful machine.

I was assured that they would escalate the shipping and the build, and that I would have my order ASAP. June 11th is the delivery date (estimated).

A few days later, after me asking about the build expedite status, I was emailed with assurances that they were doing everything they could. My order was "accepted" for escalation (up to that point, I didn't know it was possible that it WOULDN'T be escalated, kinda miffed me a bit but, not a huge deal, in comparison.

In that email, I was told that the system should be delivered TODAY (06/05/09), and that my delivery date "might not reflect that" in the online order status system.

On 06/03/09 I emailed again, trying to find out if everything is on track. I also explained my continued dissatisfaction with the machine options, especially since on THAT day, Dell started offering the M17 directly through Dell, and the options on THAT machine are actually comparable to what I was trying to order originally. In fact, they are better! I really want to get this over with, but the difference in "horsepower" is significant enough to be a constant worry for me.

So far, I have heard nothing. The online status still says "In Production", it also does not have any shipping information - which I would expect to see change, even if the expected delivery date didn't update UNTIL it shipped.

So, here I am, waiting still - with better options available, and a steady stream of promises and assurances, but no real answers yet.


Bill is looking into it, and based on what I've seen, I believe I will get accurate, and meaningful information soon. I might even get resolution!

To the other posters above, my original order was between Dell and Alienware. They are the same company now (different business units, I know). The original laptop had specs that were the same as what I had configured at Alienware, but for about $$600 less. No other real differences.

I currently own 2 Alienware desktops, and an XPS. My most recent purchase were an XPS from Dell and a Studio 17 - BOTH experiences were exceptional, and delivered earlier than the estimated date.

I did not expect this much trouble!

If I had all of my wishes, I'd switch to the M17 now, but I can only assume that would delay me even further. The differences in core laptop components are enough though, assuming I could actually be assured of delivery.

Post 8 of 26

Update

by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff - 6/5/09 11:13 AM In reply to: Update by bradsenff

Hi, Brad.

I just replied to your email with the latest order status and as detailed an explanation as I can get at this time for what happened. As stated in the email, someone you spoke to really should have informed you better when you called us up about the first order delay. I just can't apologize enough. I hope the new delivery date is acceptable. Just email or call me any time you have a concern. Thanks for your patience.

Post 9 of 26

thanks

by bradsenff - 6/5/09 11:32 AM In reply to: Update by Dell-Bill_B Dell staff

I just replied as well.

Outside of the direct order conversation, I just wanted to say this:

I know it is somewhat controversial, and the reasons WHY the support is structured like it is. But, if I had the sort of responses and the sense that the people cared about actually FIXING the problem, not clearing the call, I would not have been upset.

The call centers offshore give one impression alone: I am here, I will tell you anything that allows me to end this call. Each time I had tried to call in and deal with this, I was transferred no less than 7 times. Each time, the people were adamant that the next person was the "right" person.

The last time, I ended up in XPS technical support. He was from an "on-shore" call center, and answered every question I had, and insisted on doing a warm transfer, to explain everything to the 'right' person, and make sure they had the information I needed.

This, for an update on the status of my order (before it was cancelled the first time).

The level of service, outside of the US, is horrible. Those call centers are all pleasant, and assuming the reason for the call matches a script, it will be fine. But anything outside of the box, or slightly different causes endless nightmares on the customer end.

Just thought I'd add that to my experiences above.

So far, I have more confidence in Bill, after having traded private emails 2 times, than I ever received out of anyone that I spoke to on the phone.

So, thanks to Bill, it is nice to interact with someone who genuinely wants to help, and not just help by pushing me down the line to the 'next guy'.

This sort of service, and quality, restores a bit of faith in Dell. Tell them to give you a raise, or some nifty workstation :-)

Post 10 of 26

An alternative

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Post 11 of 26

Another update

by bradsenff - 6/10/09 8:00 AM In reply to: New order NIGHTMARE m1730 by bradsenff

Well, I'm still not resolved.

Bill is working on it.

Here is what's happened since I last updated this thread.

Bill confirmed that the NEW order was in process, and that the build expedite had gone through on June 5th, 2009. More than a week AFTER it should have. I'm not sure why it took so long, and neither is Bill. The frustrating part was that I was told that not only was it already expedited, but that it would be in my hands on June 5th.

Bill looked into the order, discovered a potential reason for delay relating to the display. Engineering HOLD. He's not aware of any reason for it, so it should be resolved 'soon', and I'll be good. He's pretty sure I should tough it out for 2-3 days.

Yesterday, (June 9th) I decide to get an update. With his super-powers, he determines that all signs indicate that it should ship today (June 10th), and that I should have it in-hands on June 11th. Coincidentally, that is the same date I've been told since the new (2nd) order was placed, when Dell canceled my other one.

Well, I figure, at least I'll have the laptop. It isn't as powerful as I originally ordered, and it has taken forever, but at least I'll be off.

Today, June 10th, I logged in to see the status.

DELAYED. AGAIN.

Estimated delivery: June 22nd. Eleven more days.

If I have to wait that long, I might as well get a configuration that is reasonably fast - instead of this low end configuration for the 1730 I've been hornswaggled into taking.

I've asked to cancel my existing order - AGAIN - and replace it with an Alienware M17. The performance statistics for this new configuration are on par with, and better than, my original m1730 order - that you can't even get now.

So far, as helpful, and willing as Bill has been, I'm just not happy with Dell. I advise everyone that I know on what to purchase, and where, and this whole debacle has forced me to reconsider what answer I normally give them.

I will update this thread again, once there is some sort of progress (or resolution, should THAT ever happen).

Thanks,

-brad

Post 12 of 26

changed date

by bradsenff - 6/10/09 2:15 PM In reply to: Another update by bradsenff

I sent off my request to change everything over to the M17 early this morning. I haven't heard back regarding that, but I have checked the online status from time to time.

This morning, as I said above, it updated to another delay, citing 06/22/09 as the projected date of delivery.

This afternoon, just a few moments ago, I checked it again. Down to 06/18/09. For the first time since April 29th, the date moved in the CORRECT direction, instead of the incorrect direction!

I'm not sure what prompted the change, but I hope that isn't meant as the "here, we fixed it" resolution. 1 week out is still not tomorrow, as most recently promised. (nor is it May 11th, as initially promised).

-brad

Post 13 of 26

dell problems

by jkoorts - 6/11/09 3:46 PM In reply to: changed date by bradsenff

I also ordered a M1730. ETA - 18 June. If it is not here by then I'm joining this thread.

bill if you're interested: Dell Purchase ID: 2001343717423

Post 14 of 26

1730 - changes etc

by bradsenff - 6/12/09 6:32 AM In reply to: dell problems by jkoorts

My story update is probably not what you want to hear.

I canceled my order for the m1730. My impression, based on the delays and watching the online configuration utility for 2 months is that the laptop is being phased out. I don't have any official confirmation of this, but it makes sense, as the parts are becoming more and more restrictive, and the delays are mounting up. I have heard from 3 other people about similar issues since this thread was posted. None of them received their order (still).

So, based on that, I made the jump. I now have an order in production for an Alienware M17. I placed the order directly through Dell, which is new to them - we'll see how that process works.

In the past, working with Alienware was a BREEZE. Let's see what happens now, hopefully they haven't been "Delled"(tm) yet.

My current estimated delivery date: July 16th. I was promised an expedited build, so that date should move up somewhat.

I was clear that this is Dell's last chance for me - I've been more patient, and more reasonable about this whole debacle than I should have. Dell just had that good of a history with me. I hope that 10 years of professional and personal purchase history isn't undone by one gaming laptop fiasco.

Good luck with your m1730 - you may get it, but my prediction is that it will be a rough ride getting there.

For those who are wondering what I went with on the M17: Quad core extreme (the top end quad core proc), 4GB of 1333MHz RAM, dual GT280M's, 256GB SSD, and the 1900x1200 Screen. Nothing else of note..

This thing is two full generations above the m1730 I was supposed to have two weeks ago. One full generation above the original order.

All in all, I really hope I actually receive this thing. Computing by imagination isn't cutting it anymore.

-brad

Post 15 of 26

m17 or m1730

by jkoorts - 6/12/09 6:51 AM In reply to: 1730 - changes etc by bradsenff

is the GPU of the M17 better than the M1730?

My M1730 is 2.4 Ghz, while i see the entry level speed is 2.1 for M17

The M17 looks more expensive than the M1730, when i add the 2.4 chip. Also the M17 comes out with only 1 GPU. if you add SLI the price jumps a lot.

my M1730:
2.4 Ghz
2GB RAM
128G SSD
NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700M GT 512MB GDDR3

Price: $1600

I have not customized the M17, but i bet it will be more expensive. whats your take on that?

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