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Digital cameras: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/10/09 2:35 PM
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Bottom line choice

by hjfok - 4/14/09 6:23 PM In reply to: Compact or dSLR? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I think everyone wants to have the best quality photo. But the deciding factors usually boils down to budget, bulk and willingness to learn the different functions and controls.
1. One button snapshot users who wants everything automated will choose PS cameras.
2. More sophisticated users without budget concern will usually get the D-SLR.
3. Those who have budget concern will get the prosumer models that has most of the functions of D-SLR but at a fraction of the cost. Some of the D-SLR users who have suffered their share of shoulder and back pain from lugging around those hefty lenses and camera bodies may also turn to the prosumer models which can satisfy most of their regular casual use.

However, one major difference in shopping between PS/prosumer cameras vs D-SLR is that PS/prosumer camera is an all-in-one package whereas the D-SLR is actually a system with many accessory parts and components. In other words, although PS/prosumer camera is a complete package, there is not much room for you to grow and their accessories are usually very limited. If you want something it does not have, you need to buy a new camera. On the other hand, most D-SLRs have much more potential to grow, as long as you have the money.
But not all D-SLR systems are equal and you need to be careful in choosing the right one for you. If you one day find out that the D-SLR system does not have what you need, then changing the system can be very costly. Shopping for D-SLR can be confusing for newbies especially if they don't know what they need in the beginning. If one decide to buy a D-SLR, one needs to look at the whole system, and think/plan how one may expand and grow within the system. This includes future lenses, flash system, availability of 3rd party accessories, other special accessories. Some companies like Samsung, Panasonic, etc depend on other manufacturer's lens and accessories, whereas Canon and Nikon have complete system of their own. Sticking with either Canon or Nikon usually is a safe bet.
A basic D-SLR system should have the following:
A camera body
A general purpose lens 17-55mm range
A mid range tele lens is usually very useful 50-200mm range
Hoods for your lenses (sometimes these are sold separately)
An external flash (you really should learn to use external flash rather than depending on the on-camera flash)
A flash diffuser
A polarizer filter and other filters (color, neutral density, etc)
Only use UV filter if you have an expensive lens (for protection)
Lens cleaning kit
Extra battery
Memory cards (133x is the basic, 233x or faster is high performance, 2-4 GB minimum, larger MP cameras may need higher capacity cards)
Tripod
Release cable

Then you will also need some of the basics as following:
Editing software
Your camera usually supplies the RAW conversion software
Monitor/printer calibration device eg. Spyder3 or Huey
Printer if you do your own printing
External hard drives to store and backup photo files
Noise reduction or enlargement software/plug-ins
A portable hard drive or multimedia storage to transfer and clear your memory card images in case you run out of memory cards while traveling

There are numerous specialty lenses and accessories out there to fit your special need, but check whether they are available or compatible with the particular D-SLR system you plan to buy. The 3rd party manufacturers do not make a compatible lens or component for every D-SLR in the market. Some bare bone basic models eg. Nikon D40/D60 may have limited compatibility to some less commonly used lenses or accessories. So plan carefully ahead and do your homework before giving out your hard-earned cash.

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Digital camera choices

by sgly63 - 4/17/09 7:44 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I teetered back and forth with this one. I take a lot of photos on a daily basis, for my business. Having a good quality camera is a necessity, but I didn't want to spend a fortune on something that has a good chance of getting dropped. I cover an area of about 20K square miles and take photos of and make reports for distressed real estate. I've tried all different types and styles, from throw away to full DSLR. I got hooked on a Canon model a little over a year ago (S3 IS), that my wife found on closeout. It uses a flash card. I liked it alot, but sometimes I need to get better zooms because I can't get close enough. I considered using a doubler, but the quality suffers. My wife and I went to Best Buy and found another Canon. I liked the ease of use of the S3. We found a Canon SX10IS for around $400 +/-. It has a 20x OPTICAL zoom and a 4x digital enhancement for a total of up to 80x zoom (I rarely use the 4x). The 20x has the equivalent range of up to 560mm (that's just the optical). The macro is great and the wide angle isn't bad (28mm). This camera has worked out to be the best of both worlds for us, we bought 2 of them, my wife and I both do this. This camera is a 10 megapixel and adjustable from super low resolution (640x480) like for sending emails all the way up to full HD quality. It will also do video 320x240 @ 30 fps or 640x480 @ 30 fps. We love this camera! I highly recommend this one. I would buy this again. It is also capable of being used in full manual or full auto and everything in between. Great Camera!

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Digital camera choices

by j5shock - 4/25/09 8:54 AM In reply to: Digital camera choices by sgly63

Hi everyone,

Well, the lady has made a decision(and it is a decision I would make myself if I were in her shoes). Lets all of us congratulate her on her excellent choice!
So, lets us all stop arguing. Everyone gave some rather intersting and good viewpoints! (Still, anyone with anything significant to add should still post their views anyway!)

To Cecelia,

Here's hoping that you will enjoy your camera for many years to come, when you finally get it. The timing to buy would be quite crucial to buying it at the best price possible. I would suggest that you wait (and save) for at least 6-8 months from now! Of cause if you have the patience You can wait till they come out with a newer model, then go in to buy that older(but sill excellent)model that you wanted! It should be quite a bit cheaper.
Again, happy hunting for your dream camera! Wishing you luck!

j5

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Reply to j5shock

by Gerard Mulgrew - 4/26/09 1:28 AM In reply to: Digital camera choices by j5shock

Hi j5
Again, many thanks to you and all the Cnet team and wonderful people who shared their wisdom and knowledge so generously.
I'm going for the Canon XS1IS and as you suggested, will wait till it gets a bit cheaper.
This has been a great learning curve and I'm so grateful to everyone. It's a relief to have come to a decision I'm happy with.
Blessings to all,
Cecilia.

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To Cecilia

by kalel33 - 4/26/09 8:56 AM In reply to: Reply to j5shock by Gerard Mulgrew

The specs of the SX1IS are impressive, but it seems that Canon hasn't quite got it right with the CMOS sensor in a point and shoot. The SX1 was hammered in the review at dpreview.com, here's the conclusion page.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsx1is/page17.asp

Some excerpts from that review:

"Image quality, while not terrible is actually slightly worse then the much cheaper SX10 IS"

"As it stands the SX1 - whilst interesting - offers too little to justify its high price, and while I'm sure that as its price falls it will become more attractive to a wider range of potential buyers, at the moment it's impossible to see why you would buy one over the SX10 IS."

It looks like you'd be better of saving the money and buying the SX10IS.

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SX1 or SX10...

by j5shock - 5/14/09 2:20 AM In reply to: To Cecilia by kalel33

Hi there C.P.,

Both are excellent camera. While it is true that the Canon Powershot SX1 IS(to give it it's full title) got hammered at the dpreview.com's review, we must also balance it with this review from Steve's digicams: http://www.steves-digicams.com/2009_reviews/canon_sx1_conclusion.html.

Ultimately, it comes down to your personal choice whether you would like to have the SX1 or SX10 but personally I'd go for the SX1 IS for it's ability to capture full (1080P) HD video, thus saving at one stoke the future headache of which camcorder to purcahse.

Cheers! And may you choose wisely.

j5

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Digital camera choices (and accessories).

by j5shock - 4/26/09 3:12 AM In reply to: Digital camera choices by j5shock

Hi Cecilia,

A few other observations and suggestions I like to make at this point are:

1) Save enough to buy one storage device (i.e. memory cards; in your case, SD or SDHC cards) first and add more later when the need arises with a (minimum) 4GB or (better still) an 8GB capacities. Buy more cards with higher capacities later as prices are sure to tumble!

2) Get a memory card that is fast enough to record the actions shots that you might want to shoot later. If you don't ,you may not be able to shoot 4 pictures in 1(one) second later if the need arises (by that I mean the SDHC cards should be class 6 & above; this is indicated by a number in a small circle somewhere on the face of the card. If it is a small circle with a small 4 in it, that means it is a class 4 card which is a middling performing memory card. Whereas a card with a small circled 6 or 8 will perform better on your intended camera. The higher the number the faster performing is the card and it goes from class 2, the slowest, to currently the fastest, class 8 which is required to record HD video on some camera or video camera. Similarly, if you buy micro-SD/SDHC it should be indicated in the same way but you will need an adapter before you can use it in your camera).

3) Later, when you find the built-in flash lacking in power, you should start saving to buy a Canon dedicated (or compatible) flash. Buy one with a guide number of 43 (think EX430II) and above because
you will need one that give you more than enough power for later use! Trust me, if you buy a lower powered flash and later foumd out that you need the extra reach of a more powerful flash, you will regret it!

Here's hoping that you get a chance to read this and wishing you all the best in your learning about and progressing in your hobby! Best of luck!

j5

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Compact, super zoom compact (a.k.a.bridge camera) or DSLR?

by j5shock - 4/26/09 8:43 AM In reply to: Digital camera choices (and accessories). by j5shock

Hi there Cecilia,

Just saw your post. It was nothing, just a little bit of sharing of opinions between like minded people who share the same passion for the same hobby.

Some of us are a bit more fortunate in the sense that we get to start earlier and thus make more mistake than the others. Therefore, in sharing our experiences, we hope that you can avoid some of the pitfalls that we have encountered (and thus get more bang out of your buck).

Your choice of the Canon SX 1IS is just right in that it offers a lot more upgrade path in the areas that you need an upgrade later.

As in the flash department, you can get an external one (even one that is not dedicated to Canon because it can take any generic flash due to compatiblity with odinary flash)! Not all Super Zoom Compact(or bridge camera) let you use external flash if ever you need one!

If you should find the lens not wide enough, you should be able to buy a wide-angle conversion lens later because it hakes a 52mm treaded filter!

On the the other hand, if you find 560mm on the far (telephoto) end
insufficient, you can always use the digital zoom but only up to 2X.Use 4X digital zoom if you absolutely must, because there will be quite a bit of degradation of image qulity. Not that at 2X digital zoom you don't loose some image qulity; but it is tolarable.

In the meantime, while waiting, you should go out and shoot more pictures with your A620. Use, understand and experiment with every features on that camera because some of them should function the
same way on the SX 1IS! Enjoy your A620 because it may not be as
out-dated as you are lead to believe. At least the picture qualities are still good!

The point is, a camera is just a means to an end! Experiment with
your present camera and you may find that your photography improves!

Goodbye for the moment. If you need any more advice you can reach me at jim5shock@yahoo.com. Good luck on taking better pictures with the A620! Cheers!

j5

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Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera?

by YeYe55 - 4/27/09 7:17 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I think that best way to go is with a dslr. Why, it has bette resolutions than a regular digital camera.
I had a 8 MP Olympus and when i shot a pisture it looks good but, when i place it as a background in my computer it turned blurry.

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A SLR is far better than a Compact why...

by henry Barnett - 5/16/09 1:16 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

The only consideration is really financial.
The SLR has so many advantages over a Compact (CC) that in fact they are really two different tools.
The Body:SLR bodies can been changed (upgrade) and the resell price is very attractive. Try selling a compact a year or two after purchase! So start with say a NIKON D40 and later move up. This makes a thriving second hand market too. Check out Ebay D40 and lens for 300$!
The Lens: A CC lens is about 1 cm in diameter and a SLR lens is about 5 times the size thus letting in 5x more light. With the quality of SLR lens glass this alone makes (pixel for pixel) a SLR far better.
Lenses are interchangeable and OK you start with one lens and then add more specialised ones later. Extreme wide angle etc. This means you can change the body and keep the lenses.
Electronics: Battery life of a Nikon is amazing compared to a CC. My Casio 7.2mp Exslim does not last that long. My Nikon battery goes on and on.
Functions on a CC are great but often gimmicky. On a serious SLR they are functional and add enormous power.
If you wish to do some serious (amateur) photography the ability to work with RAW is a huge advantage.Remember that taking the photo is half the problem. The other half is back home with Photoshop!

A small but important difference is that on all Nikons and like you use the viewfinder and are able to compose and frame the shot far better than with a LCD screen. With a CC and in bright light, and often the sun is and should be behind you, the LCD image is useless.

You pay for not only quality in a Nikon or Canon SLR but functionability and years of experience. I used to be a Canon fan but decided to go digital with Nikon. Either have their merits.

My advice: if you can go DSLR. See if you can borrow one and try a few shots before deciding.

Worried about theft. Keep cards separate from the camera and upload to a storage facility as soon as possible. Just make sure you have insurance.

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Digital Cameras

by ortatrox - 5/22/09 8:24 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I myself own a Canon digital compact camera with 10x zoom and 8 mega pixels. I have found that this camera can do many things that the slr's can, except for when it comes to long distance. But with normal shots you can do a whole lot with it. I took a picture of my flower garden. Then I took that photo and blew up a small piece of it. I found a daddy long legs sitting on the flower that i blew up. I recieved an award for that photo. Here is the link to show my stuff. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhotos&albumID=48298 I always use a compact camera.

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Digital Compact Camera

by malcwilliams - 5/23/09 11:21 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Ive recently had the same decision to make. So after some home work on this matter i would suggest you look at the fuji Finepix S100fs. I bought this so called compact two weeks ago and it is excellent. Dont just take my word for it. Read the articals on Fuji's web site after all it is camera of the year 2008/2009 best in its class as well. Hope you find this useful.

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