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- 4/17/09 3:39 PM
A lot of people are chatting rubbish on here!
by datenz - 4/18/09 1:22 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I was writing a review of my experience with Windows 7 beta, but after reading a few comments from the posts I thought it was better to clear the air on some topics. I have used Windows 95, 98, ME, XP and Windows 7. I have not so much used Vista. Anyone on the forum (and so far I have read most of the comments) arguing that Windows 7 is by any means inferior to XP or Vista simply does not know what they are talking about.
FUNDAMENTALS:
It has a smaller footprint, runs faster, and is more stable than any other Microsoft OS. This is FACT! I have experienced not one single crash, the system slows only when I max out Ram usage. I don't know what you lot's gripe is with Microsoft, but the above three topped my list. Any argument I ever had about Microsoft always came down to speed, size, and reliability. Notice how none of the comments left by users report anything negative on this front. For Microsoft... this is groundbreaking. It does not only do better than the old OS's it CHALLENGES APPLE. Think about this, no more excuses of "I run it for proprietary software bla bla bla"... Now it's I run it because it is the best.
Compatibility:
Installing the beta could be done by a 10year old with only two major questions to answer... save my documents? and save my old windows data? Only one program did not work for me, and that's because the installer did not recognise the Windows model number (Nokia software updater if you must know). Drivers update automatically in a way I have not seen in Microsoft ever. From my new Samsung tv to my 10year old bluetooth dongle, everything is up to date without a single visit to their websites. And this from a first build beta?
Usability:
This needs to be it's own topic, because people are dismissing possibly the second best part of windows 7 - After the fact that it just works of course (it's a big deal). There is no revert to old here. You have to learn the new system. It takes a few days, maybe even a week, but the little touches make major differences in productivity. The Apple like task bar/dock which allows you to pin and preview programs is nothing short of spectacular. The jump lists that remember recent files... even better. The auto maximise and minimise when dragging windows to and from the top of the screen, the preview desktop, the snap to side, and side by side scrolling, the snip program. It really is that great.
I might sound like some ridiculous fan boy at the moment, but it really is not that. I just cant understand how anybody has used this OS and can seriously argue that it is not worth the upgrade. People who have not used Windows 7, might as well not comment, because you will base your argument on what Microsoft has previously done with their OS's and this OS is not typical of Microsoft at all!
100% agreed.
by FrankQC - 4/18/09 1:35 PM In reply to: A lot of people are chatting rubbish on here! by datenzI did some testing on Windows 7. I virtual machined it on top of Vista Enterprise and it worked fast. I mean, I also vmed XP Pro and Linux @ the same time (totally to 4 operating systems running at the same time), and of all of them the fastest one was Windows 7, then Linux, then XP (Which came to a halt).
People shouldn't base Windows 7 on the previous versions of Windows. Windows 7 is an actual accomplishment (thus far) and is doing what it is supposed to do. I only used it to test its speed because I did not have the resources (i.e. equipment) to install it and use it as my main. I only used it in VM and it wasn't bad still.
Usually people bash on Microsoft because of the bandwagons. It comes popular to say that Microsoft products aren't good because people are saying it (such as people saying Windows 7 isn't good when they haven't even used it).
Windows 7 will indeed give Apple something to worry about, that's for sure.
I agree
by tacwalker - 4/18/09 2:09 PM In reply to: A lot of people are chatting rubbish on here! by datenzI totally agree with you.
After reading several posts that were shear garbage concerning Win 7 I wrote a few posts that had nothing to do with operating systems and, instead, were nothing but nonsense. I am now going to unsubscribe and fade away.
Hope your weekend is a good one!
MS releases new OS's just as the previous OS is stabilizing.
by dabombace - 4/18/09 1:50 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I heard horror stories for the longest time about vista, and finally got a Vista Home Premium 64 new pc about 2 months ago, very happy to finally be up to the joneses as far as computer and operating system goes, my thing scores a 5.9 down the line on that "vista experience" thing, and i've actually been very very happy with vista. I remember seeing people struggle with it early on, but i also recall the same woes with XP when it first came out, and by the time Vista rolled around everyone was holding on to their XP system for dear life, just a thought also i can't afford to upgrade to 7, can't afford a decent meal so where's my operating system stimulus package?? haha
Windows 7 better than Vista?
by marcioferraz - 4/18/09 6:09 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Well, it's hard to say as it is just now showing it's features but my perception is that MS is actually more experiencing future technologies than upgrading Vista. It is giving the first trials to features that will (may) open the doors to a bunch of new possibilities in the future (and of course keep the money flowing in for now). I currently run Vista Ultimate 64 and contrary to what I read and hear here and there so far I find it to be better than XP. Maybe because I don't have to "squeeze" it to operate in a server condition but I definitely don't want to go back to XP.
Best regards
Marcio
AFTER READING SOME OF THE REMARKS
by shaliko1 - 4/18/09 7:11 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I FEEL THAT THIS WAS TO BE A VENTURE IN FINDING THE BUGS WITH THE FIRST RELEASE BATA, AND IT HAD ITS FAIR SHARE, NOW ADDRESSED
AND SINCE FIXED. WOULD I CHOOSE IT OVER VISTA I DON'T THINK SO NOW
AS YOU KNOW THAT PROBLEMS THAT SHOW UP IN BETA TEST OFTEN RETURN WHEN
THE ACTUAL RELEASE HAPPENS. THERE ARE STILL ALOT OF SMALL TO MIDIUM SIZE BUSINESSES USING XP PROFESSIONAL AND SERVER 2003.
I skipped Vista, went XP Home > Win7 Ultimate 64 bit
by mbednarz - 4/18/09 10:29 PM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I really like Windows 7. I installed a clean install of 64bit on a new Harddrive. I have my old XP home on my original drive. If I want to go back to that OS I change my boot HD in my BIOS Harddrive boot selector. I still can access files and folders easily from the XP drive. I do find myself not going back to the old drive often.
Windows 7 is pretty. Windows 7 is fast; it boots in half a minute vs. several minutes for my XP OS. It shuts down very quickly too only 10 seconds or so. I did have some driver and hardware issues. My Creative Audigy ZS Platinum soundcard has lost some funcionality, but I have most of what I wanted. My Logitech WebCam doesn't have drivers and probably won't have any when windows 7 is officially released. Logitech has done that to me 2 times now, they don't release drivers for a new OS so you have to buy a new webcam. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...I will buy a different BRAND cam.
Files are easily organized and accessed. The interface is much friendlier. I like the way Media and Music are organized and accessed. Windows 7 includes Media Center, a great way to integrate live TV (with a tuner card like I did) and enjoy watching, recording shows like a DVR. I even use a Media Center remote from my old Media Center 2005 Tuner card, and it works great. I can access music, tv, videos and all my photos with the remote.
In regards to your hardware I don't think you will have to upgrade a thing if you have VISTA now. Most drivers used by Windows 7 are just VISTA drivers. From what I can see though Windows 7 is not as Hardware demanding as VISTA was. I am running this older self built set-up for a system just fine, for gaming etc (remember I am 64 bit):
Opteron 165 Dual-Core Processor this is Socket 939 in an Asus A8N5X SATA I motherboard. This CPU is a factory clock of 1800 mhz- I am overclocked to 2.82mhz. Memory is 2GB of OCZ Platinum Dual Channel DDR 400 clocked to 527 mhz. GPU is an Nvidia 8800GT Video Card 512mb. Sound is a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card. Western Digital SATA II 640MB HD. My Windows Experience Index is 5.5, but that is due to the older and slower system DDR memory. My Aero and gaming graphics indexes are 7.9 and 6.0 respectively so in my world that is what matters. You shouldn't have any hardware issues beyond anything you have seen with VISTA and perhaps will see improvement with existing hardware and memory.
I like Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit enough to want to buy it after the evaluation period is over.
reply to 'mbednarz'
by bcdalai - 4/18/09 10:49 PM In reply to: I skipped Vista, went XP Home > Win7 Ultimate 64 bit by mbednarzYou are right mr. mbednarz. But what I'm said above is completely right. many people don't shift from XP. Whay microsoft should should find out and ask everyone from user to IT pro......
bcdalai
Here are my two cents for what it's worth.
by computernut - 4/19/09 1:00 AM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I believe that Microsoft is in for a very rude awakening. Whether or not it will occur under Windows 7 is unclear, but that it will happen sooner or later I think is clear. I think that they are too quick to put out another OS before perfecting the previous one, ie. Vista, which from my experience and the experience of many, many others is far from perfect. I have begun to call Vista the new Windos ME. Just as Me should have never been put out neither should have Vista been put out. They can't even get IE 8 right before taking it out of beta for cryin out loud. There is already a brewing rebellion against all things Microsoft. I haven't joined in yet as I've only been a Windows user since about 98 and am unfamiliar with Linux enough to adopt it as my sole OS and drop Windows all together, but that is exactly what I'm considering doing. It agravates me to no end when a new version or OS is put out before perfecting the current one. XP is about as close as they've ever gotten and it is by no means perfect. I have no plans to buy Windows 7. The Linux community is getting closer than ever to having an OS that can be easily installed by just about anyone and will do the basic things most people do with their Windows computers. Ubuntu is as close as I've seen so far personally, but still is not there yet. In my opinion they are not there yet, but if and when they do arrive at that destination look out Microsoft, because your dreams of world domination will be crushed.
Win 7 Likes dislikes and problems
by larrylwill - 4/19/09 1:51 AM In reply to: Here are my two cents for what it's worth. by computernutI have been running Win 7 on my Dell Vostro 1500 with separate video card and Intel Duel Core CPU with 2gb ram, since the first day of the Beta.
I agree it does boot faster than XP or Vista. I have used free AVG and Avast virus checkers, no problems. I have 2 other computers that run XP pro I network with as well as 2 Tivos. They all work with Win 7. I also use LogMeIn to keep a friends and my fathers computers working. He uses Vista and she uses XP. Both work from my Win7 computer perfectly.
I have had some crashes on Win7. I have problems with Firefox locking up and needing to close it and restart, and its takes a while to get it to close, it may be Firefox. I especially have problems when multiple tabs are open and one wont load. (an old Firefox problem) I have problems with Skype, sometimes it works and sometimes it is missing an object and wont. I have also had problems with Foxit, it sometimes wont load a pdf from a web page and wants me to switch (whatever that means) but SumatraPDF works (both free small Pdf readers). I also can not click on a email link in a web page and get it to load in Thunderbird. It says the default mail client is not properly installed, but it is, then it loads IE which says it cant load this web page. You cant see your WiFi access Signal strength like you can in XP and some other annoyances. Although there may be a way to change them.
Every other program I have downloaded and tried to run does, although I think its still buggy but if they fix it in the final release I would buy it, it is faster and looks better and uses less resources. I have used every operating system since Dos and on 2 of my business machines I use Me on one and Dos on the other still out of necessity.
To WIN 7 from Vista HELL? Not likely...
by TripodGal - 4/19/09 9:54 PM In reply to: Here are my two cents for what it's worth. by computernutI totally agree with you! Vista should have NEVER been released as it is. If you'll go read some of my posts in the Vista forum, and this one, you'll understand why I feel this way. I have literally been in VISTA HELL. And I'm a fairly proficient PC user. I can't imagine how those less experienced than myself have been getting along. I've had to find "work-arounds" to keep my OS going out of necessity. Some of the others with less experience have already made several trips to the repair shop....for an OS problem that the shop really can't fix. All they do is "unfreeze" your PC, maybe add some memory, or upgrade the hard drive, and then charge their customers a fortune to do it. And then the customers run the OS for awhile, and the same problems happen again.
I have found that Vista is a HIGH MAINTENANCE OS. And by high maintnenance I mean that you must perform this whole barrage of maintenance on a regular basis to keep it going:
1. Clear cookies and cache at least every other day
2. Disc cleanup at least every other day
3. Correct/clean and defrag registry at least every other day
4. Debug at least twice a week - anti-adware/anti-spyware
5. Update virus defintions automatically (which isn't always convenient, as it bogs performance) and then scan for viruses at least twice a week. (With XP, once a week was sufficient)
6. Defrag the hard drive at least once a week
Since I downloaded IE 8 optimized for Yahoo, I can now go with the above frequency. Before then, I had to perform tasks 1-4 at least twice daily...which is totally ridiculous! But it did keep me out of the repair shop...
When my old laptop with XP bit the dust, I was forced (due to time constraints) to go with Vista instead of waiting for my PC to be repaired. Since no new PCs are available with XP, I had to go with Vista. (I run an internet home-based business, and MUST be online at least half of my workday.) Microsoft mandated to the manufacturers and retailers that they must sell Vista, or buy a special license to install XP for their customers. Many of the retailers and repair shops just didn't want to put out that expense...forcing customers to switch to Vista. That whole scenario just stinks! Vista has allowed everyone selling and repairing, AND Microsoft, to totally rape the consumers financially...and I'm not one damned bit happy about it.
Like I stated in another post here, I'm looking for perfomance, reliability, and ease of use...and nothing less from any future OS.
If WIN 7 doesn't deliver that, count me out.
To WIN 7 from Vista HELL? Not likely...P.S.
by TripodGal - 4/19/09 10:26 PM In reply to: To WIN 7 from Vista HELL? Not likely... by TripodGalI forgot to mention that every time Microsoft installs a Vista OS update, that it renders my PC practically unusable for that time. And then it takes several reboots to not get the blue error screen and have to go into safe mode, then reboot to normal mode to get going again. That's really a lot of fun. Never had that with XP.
And before I switched to IE 8 optimized for Yahoo, I experienced all those lovely IE 7 freeze-ups...right when I was in the middle of something crucial...like a financial transaction, web edit, sending an email (that wound up being irretrievable), etc. Thank goodness Yahoo got on the ball and gave us an IE 8 we could actually use.
I also run HP Health Check at least once a week to check my hard drive health, and to download any needed driver updates, too.
Like I said...HIGH MAINTENANCE.
Can WIN 7 promise me the elimination of all the hassles I'm dealing with now? I had better...
Here are my two cents for what it's worth
by afro2358 - 4/20/09 6:48 AM In reply to: Here are my two cents for what it's worth. by computernutI really feel Ms is putting out another OS without Perfecting the one they already have (Vista), because for them, it has to do with "EARNINGS", Microsoft is trying to "Improve" their "Share Holders Earnings or Profits. Microsoft, if they had wanted to, could have put Windows 7 into Windows Vista, but, they said "Why do that if we could put out another OS, Charge the Consumer, and "Increase Our Earnings. for their Stock Holders.
Windows 7
by Kzac Hawk - 4/19/09 4:15 AM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Well I downloaded windows 7 trial, just to give it a shot on my laptop. I was expecting big things from Microsoft, possibly they had switched their software over to Linux and would avoid virus attacks for the future. Possibly they had learned from OSX and added features like the ones found in on Mac machines.
What I found was another enhanced version of 98/NT. Looks like vista acts like vista. Another huge, clunky, bulky, software system. But what did I expect... after all Microsoft has been in the same rut for years, and system 7 is no different. Its not wort the time and effort to install the software, in my opinion.
Microsoft needs to move on... Set their software up on the linux or unix. I am typing this response on my mac, while reloading my parents XP machine. THeir machine crashed due to a virus. It has taken me two days to reload the software on their machine and I am not done yet. I haven't tried this with windows 7 yet but I bet it's the same thing. It did not seem to run faster that my vista, it really did not act different than my vista. so what is the advantage? I could find none
My opinion.... just Vista service pack 3, avoid it and keep your XP.
Windows 7
by Stevie52 - 4/19/09 4:53 AM In reply to: Windows 7, please enlighten me with your opinions on this to be released OS by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The betas I have been running for a few months, 32 and 64, have my vote. I would make the swing up to 7 if MS would do the price right, if not linux is gonna be start booting up my machines. 7 runs well on a old one gb cpu w/ 512 meg ram. video cards are the only catch here, need one that will run aero. As the video goes, Nvidia cards most of the vista drivers will work. But the real catch here is what uncle billy will burn us this time around for the reasonable use lease. Be nice if 7 came out with a price like 59 buck with yearly upgrade subscription of like 19 bucks, and if you didn't do the yeary scription, it would still run but you could not upgrade. That would be great, and EVERYONE could afford it, and would do the swing up to 7. It would also stop a lot of the hacking and cracking of it too. Both MS and us would benifit from that. Plus MS would make a lot better return on the investment.
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