Buzz Out Loud Lounge: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud.
My guess is....
by paintguru - 4/1/09 3:42 PM In reply to: Feedback by DustoMan...the show will be canceled before they remove her from the show. As listeners decline, CBS will be clueless as to why (kinda like Leo and TWiT, even though he is in denial more then anything). They don't even know the forums exist, so they will probably think podcasting is losing its appeal in general (which it probably is) and just scrap it all. It would be interesting to know who is in charge of hosting decisions for the show so that people could write them and express their opinion instead of getting in shouting matches here.
My guess is...
by giorgitd - 4/1/09 7:43 PM In reply to: My guess is.... by paintguru...that CBS/CNET will find a better match for Natali's considerable skills than BOL and promote her there before the last resident of Buzztown turns out the lights. I hope.
I've been trying to keep an open mind, but in a natural sequence of events, I'm nearly two weeks backlogged on BOL. I'm not listening to fewer podcasts, overall. I'm just choosing - based on what I feel like listening to - BOL with declining frequency.
But I like an earlier poster's idea - hang in there until #1000!
Didn't say fly over state my foot.
by rmamom - 4/3/09 10:01 AM In reply to: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud. by ludin101Natali gets on my nerves too... but getting on my nerves doesn't mean much. Out and out lying does mean something. Natali wasso proud on episode 944 that she never used the term "fly over states" and never would. She was insulted that so many people sent in email about this lie and they should be more careful. Maybe Natali should be more careful and not think so high and mighty about herself. Here, I will help with the time, she said it on episode 942 at 32:43. I double checked and the letter author (who was rude in sexist) never said those "fly over state".
Natali, don't blame others for what you do. Don't call others liars without checking.
I don't think it will matter, but today had a couple of really good examples about how I find it hard to listen to Natali on BOL. 1- The above where she accused others about lying about her when they were right. 2- She said something to the effect that stroke victims "JUST" had to have lots of stimulation to get better. JUST my foot. No empathy or compassion for others. (that might have been the previous episode) 3- interrupting Tom. She often just sounds rude.
Amy
Checking Out
by romeyinfc - 4/3/09 10:15 AM In reply to: Didn't say fly over state my foot. by rmamomThere's also the perception that she simply checks out for some thought-provoking discussions, offering no contribution, only to interrupt with "Moving On".
Thanks...
by d00tch - 4/3/09 11:09 AM In reply to: Didn't say fly over state my foot. by rmamomFor double-checking that. I actually heard that on the drive in today, and was appalled that she said that. I hadn't gotten around to checking it myself until I read your post.
For the record, though, if you read that letter again, you'll see that the letter writer never referenced her gender a single time. And I'm pretty sure he was just trying to prove a point about how hurtful it was to judge others by himself judging Natali based on her attractiveness. If you look at that letter, it could easily have been written in reference to an airheaded guy. No sexism there at all that I could see.
As I posted in another thread, I think BOL owes that letter writer an apology for calling him sexist like that. It was truly unfair. And if his letter is the worst she's gotten, she's hung up on her own gender more than anyone else apparently is. One would guess there are likely many worse letters written by anonymous bozos out there that could have been held out as examples -- not the guy who actually used his real name to complain about an actual legitimate concern.
Glad I am not the only one...
by n74jw - 4/3/09 10:23 AM In reply to: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud. by ludin101... who feels this way. I hope the CNet folks are listening, because I miss listening to BOL on my rides home from work (45-60m)
No longer buzzing?
by fbbbb - 4/3/09 3:36 PM In reply to: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud. by ludin101I've skimmed these threads, some of which have been cloaked in a lot of what Natali mentioned as pretty darned offensive, and I must agree to that.
But now that I've been listening to BOL with the new arrangement for a while, I've been wondering what's off - and there is something off. For a while I thought it might be the distance chemistry handicap, which I'm sure is a factor but that's not just it. I definitely couldn't agree with some people who were bizarrely attacking her because 'she's attractive and she knows it' or variations thereof. That has nothing to do with it.
But what I've come to think is that Natali is not the right person for BOL. I'm not sure if anyone has arrived at that conclusion in a similar way to mine, but the problem isn't because of what she knows or doesn't know, her interruptions, etc or whatever else the weirder segment of the BOL membership may have brought up.
It's because Natali is very clearly a presenter in the traditional mould, and she's actually trying to do news on BOL. As much as it pains me to say this because she's a lot easier on the ear than Veronica ever was, but she doesn't have the personality traits to be one of the main anchors of BOL. And it revolves mainly around a sense of humour, agile wit, or related attributes.
Jason was a natural fit after Veronica's departure because he's clearly a guy with an easygoing sense of humour. Natali has more of an 'expert panel speaker', more tightly wound vibe going on and that definitely isn't working on a show that BOL is supposed to be. Having peeked at her other output, I don't think it's something that's going to change anytime soon.
I don't know whether Natali is a sense of humour-free zone in person, but in the podcasts it's not coming out at all. I realised this is what's missing. It pains me to say this but over the last few weeks, she has been a major contributing factor in the apparent killing off of the spirit of BOL.
So - most unfortunately, add me to the 'I'm not feeling Natali' contingent.
I don't intent to unsubscribe anytime soon, but over the last few weeks there have been days I just look at the show notes to see what you're going to talk about and just skip the entire podcast. For me, that's never happened before - and while I'd hate to blame it just on Natali as I'm sure the rotating fourth host is also a factor, I think it's one of the major factors.
Such accuracy...
by Berke.h - 4/3/09 4:11 PM In reply to: No longer buzzing? by fbbbbThis is a thread of such accuracy and pinpoint analysis. I agree with fbbbb almost to his very last drop of opinion. The rotating BOLer? I believe it's a blast to have (abfab) Molly, two Brians, an occasional (want more) Veronica, Jeff, Caroline and Rafe on the show.
They add such variety and color to the unfortunately dimmed out BOL imho.
I really don't understand the point of this thread anymore.
by dextire - 4/3/09 8:49 PM In reply to: No longer buzzing? by fbbbbSome of you don't like Natali. Understood. Some of you just don't want her on Buzz Out Loud. Got it. But I think we all know by now that's not going to change. The deal is done. Natali is apart of the show now.
The numbers are better than ever (from what I've heard on the pre/post show). And Jason has said that he is amazed at the amount of feedback from listeners who say "Hey, I just found the podcast and this my new favorite show!". He also said "While they may not know who Molly is, they really like Natali's contribution".
So there's plenty of new listeners, as well as long time listeners (including me), who really like Natali. I personally believe the show is better than ever (no offense to Molly, or for that matter Veronica 
).
So what's the point of continuing on criticizing and complaining? The show has changed, and will continue to do so. Maybe it will one day change back to something you enjoy. Until then, maybe it's time for a break.
And while you certainly can continue to do so, I think the criticism is just coming off as petty complaining now.
"Some people don't like change. That's just the way it is." - Jason Howell
Which is fine. But why continue to whine?
Whining is a bit of a stretch.
by n74jw - 4/4/09 5:08 AM In reply to: I really don't understand the point of this thread anymore. by dextireThis thread is an outlet for those that do not share the feelings of Natali's contribution to BOL. If we are "whining", then that could be said for many of the users in this forum across all of the topics. Posts here are the result of how some folks feel, and as long as they continue to post those in a clear, adult and positive manner, what is the issue?
Whining vs beating a dead horse
by mw1961 - 4/4/09 7:57 AM In reply to: Whining is a bit of a stretch. by n74jwI have followed BOL for the past year or so. I think the show has changed since Molly left, but I don't dislike Natali on the show. I was listening to Natali before I came here to CNET. Yet, I have really enjoyed Molly and she has become one of my favorites. There is no doubt in my mind that Molly was a better fit for the show. There seemed to be a certain chemistry as some have said, but I know that things change. It is not Natali's fault--she is just different. I know that even with the same hosts, that in one year from now things will still be different on the show because people change.
One thing that did amaze me the other day, however, was when I saw Molly do a Car Tech podcast for Brian Cooley. I didn't like it! That would be the first time I ever said that about Molly. There are some really good Buzz Report shows and others that were okay. I enjoy Molly, yet I was really missing Brian for Car Tech--it just wasn't the same.
Those who are posting messages against Natali seem to think that CNET is not listening to them because nothing seems to change. Maybe they have listened and their answer is simply "no". That is why this forum seems like a "whining" thread. Get used to the new reality of BOL! BOL has changed and this is how it is going to stay. So yes you have been heard, but the answer still is "No!"
I think you are correct, but...
by n74jw - 4/4/09 11:09 AM In reply to: Whining vs beating a dead horse by mw1961This is the one area where BOL users can render their opinions. Tom & Jason cannot read every e-mail sent to the show, nor can they play every call. I, at least, do not expect CNet to do anything with the information posted here. If anyone expects the producers of BOL to listen to what is posted here and take action based on what is here, they are mistaken. CNet and the hosts would be smart to take a look, but keep the information in the proper context. This thread is about folks getting out how they feel regarding changes to a show that is probably important to them. Undoubtedly this thread has grown legs, as it has been active for over two months. Had posters been nasty, rude, or just wrong, I suspect the moderators would have locked this thread awhile ago. On the other hand, locking this thread will make some feel that they are not being given a chance to be heard, irregardless of when it happens. CNet and the BOL hosts cannot please everyone, nor should they have to, but giving listeners this opportunity to vent in this one small location is a great service.
Irregardless...
by d00tch - 4/4/09 11:27 AM In reply to: I think you are correct, but... by n74jwIs not a word. Just thought you should know.
Neither is...
by n74jw - 4/4/09 11:35 AM In reply to: Irregardless... by d00tch..."splittinghairs". Thanks for the tip, but Merriam-Webster might disagree with you.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
and Dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless
Grammar Girl is on the fence. If the word is in the dictionary, standard English or not, that is good enough for me.
Right...
by d00tch - 4/4/09 1:43 PM In reply to: Neither is... by n74jwYour own source says it's far from general acceptance, and to use regardless instead. I was trying to be helpful, not snarky. It is a pet peeve, and something smart people should avoid. Splittinghairs isn't a word, bit also a typo, I would imagine.
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