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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud.
Well?
by n74jw - 3/11/09 11:01 AM In reply to: When will the Natali bashing stop? by istingSome folks, including me, do not listen to a tech podcast for baseball information. I know that Natali and Tom are avid baseball fans, but if people want to hear baseball stats, listen to a sports podcast.
Much rather play baseball, than watch it...
Natalie? What about Molly?
by chalpin - 3/11/09 11:00 AM In reply to: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud. by ludin101I see what you mean, but at least Natalie has a pleasant voice. Molly and her irritating voice put me off BOL for a very long time. Now I only have to avoid BOL once a week or so. I was so glad when she left. She would often rant about really stupid topics and quite often she would complain about subjects that she obviously knew nothing about. She proved again and again that her opinion was so skewed sometimes. Many of her rants were based on, "everything should be free and companies do not have the right to defend their products or services."
Not very bright, if you ask me. Good thing no one's asking...
2nd That
by n74jw - 3/11/09 11:06 AM In reply to: Natalie? What about Molly? by chalpinI would second that... Molly was honest about herself one occasion, citing herself as "just a journalist" and not really a techie. Molly also once said that a Mac was tougher to use than a Windows PC. I guess it depends on your point of view, but in my experience, that is a laughable claim. Rafe once made a claim that we should all watch the commercials on our DVR's to support the advertisers. Talk about ROTFL, and I don't even own a DVR...
It is very interesting to see the various points of view on the forum.
Yeah...no.
by d00tch - 3/11/09 11:26 AM In reply to: Natalie? What about Molly? by chalpinI can honestly say that I've never heard Molly rant about something she knew nothing about. I'm interested in hearing that. If you've got the show number, I'd like to listen to it.
Also, Molly never said everything should be free or that companies couldn't defend themselves. She has, however, said that government should not be used to prop up dying business models.
???
by n74jw - 3/11/09 11:36 AM In reply to: Yeah...no. by d00tchI don't keep track of the shows that way, and have been listening since 2006. Maybe the Buzztown Wiki could help?
You...
by d00tch - 3/11/09 11:53 AM In reply to: Not my homework by n74jwhowever, are the one who made the claim. I shouldn't have to prove you right, especially when I disagree. I do appreciate your candor. And I did drop by the wiki. Honestly, I doubt I'll find anything that says "Molly rants about something she knows nothing about." Just a guess, though.
Molly off her rocker example
by chalpin - 3/26/09 8:43 AM In reply to: Yeah...no. by d00tchTry the very end of #937. She's off on one of those "companies should do what I want them to do, not what they want to do or what is best for shareholders."
Would you like more examples? There are dozens. As soon as I come across future insanity rants I will gladly post them here.
I Disagree
by war2d2 - 3/11/09 11:24 AM In reply to: I'm not feeling Natalie on Buzz out loud. by ludin101I don't think Natalie is the problem. She's a positive member of the group, she's fun to listen to, and she likes baseball, so that's a positive.
I do think that the show has suffered, however, because of the distance between her, Tom, and Jason. The best of the new shows are when Natalie actually has someone in-studio with her so she can interact in person, rather than in a "phone call" setting. The main problem is that sometimes it's obvious that Natalie is experiencing lag, and then she'll start talking over Tom/Jason and won't hear their response or interjection. It's just that feeling of a "missed connection" that's a detriment to the show. I think they should either move Natalie back to SF, or find someone that is actually in the same time zone.
Again, this is _no reflection_ on Natalie as a member of the Buzz crew--I think she'd be fine in studio. I just think the distance is causing a lot of the issues.
Good Observation but I don't think it holds water
by soidl - 3/12/09 2:35 PM In reply to: I Disagree by war2d2WaR2D2,
I think that you make a good point about the shows with Natalie suffering from a lag and distance. I agree that some of the talk overs and the missed transitions can be attributed to not being in the same room or lag.
But there are some things that cannot be written off so easily. The biggest point is the constant reference to all of the other shows that she does for CBS. Thankfully she has slowed down with all of the Loaded talk but the Morning Show is slowly taking it's place. Also, a lot of the times that she talks while someone else is talking, she actually raises her voice. When Rafe was there, she was practically screaming over him. At one point it got so bad that I swear that I could hear Rafe laughing in the background.
Also, it is lack of interest in Tech. There is a big difference between a tech consumer and a tech enthusiast. An enthusiast is interested in the latest tech and shows it by talking about what it can do for the sake of the technology. A consumer only looks at it from the point of view of what it can do for them. There is little depth in the understanding. I think Natalie is a journalist that happens to be a tech consumer. Again, great for Loaded but not as great for BOL.
I don't mean to hate on her, but I don't think that this is going to work. I am at the point of checking the first few seconds of the show to find out who is on for the day. I normally listen to the non-Natalie shows and skip most of the non-Molly shows with Natalie. After hearing the last Rafe vs Natalie show, the I unsubscribed to the RSS in iTunes.
BTW, I started listening while Molly was out having the cylon baby. I started without Molly and had to grow to appreciate what she brought to the table. I loved BOL before Molly came back and believe that I could love it with her not there. My issue is that Natalie does not seem to fit and she seems to be taking (or talking) over everything.
And speaking of...
by PullSlice - 3/31/09 10:56 AM In reply to: I Disagree by war2d2I agree that the lag and distance has something to do with it. But lots of two-host shows or podcasts have to do a call-in or Skype-in sometimes, and many manage to carry on fine. I just think it's possible that Natali isn't as good at a multi-host radio format as Molly is. Doesn't mean she can't get better, but she's not there yet. Seems better suited for a one-person show.
For me, the biggest problem, and something that's almost making the show unlistenable lately (and it's not just Natali) is the segues. And they're getting worse; my gut says that they've gotten worse since Natali came in because she wants them as a way to make sure she's getting enough airtime and seeming like an equal part of the show. But I could be totally wrong about that, cause Tom does them too.
The point is this - no one does them well. Stop it. Stop it stop it stop it. They're almost never clever, they're almost never cute, they're almost never funny. And if you're doing them poorly on purpose in an effort to be ironic, knock that off too, cause it isn't working.
Many shows ("PTI" springs to mind) go from topic to topic in rapid fire succession with no transitions or segues. Segues don't help with pacing, and are amateurish at best. They're totally unnecessary and add nothing to the listener experience.
So, it's either hacky journalism or a poor attempt at comedy. In either case, fail. So quit it. One hundred percent bad idea, all the time.
You guys have such a wonderful show; stop mucking it up with hammy segues.
+1
by ivanthehitman - 3/31/09 11:13 AM In reply to: And speaking of... by PullSliceOh man, I agree whole heartedly with your post. "And speaking of..."
Please stop the segues.
Segues belong to Tom...
by Berke.h - 3/31/09 1:05 PM In reply to: +1 by ivanthehitmanI believe (almost) every segue that Natali utters sounds like a hand-me-down from Tom. Tom's segues often sound witty and funny, I don't ant a show with absolutely no segue of any kind, but I wouldn't mind it being sprinkled around in a random fashion.
And please cool down on the "here's something that does(n't)..."
That one got old... (for the time being).
Amen!
by romeyinfc - 3/31/09 11:20 AM In reply to: And speaking of... by PullSliceCompletely agree, the segues been pretty much unbearable, right up next to the "Other Show Name Dropping".
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