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Digital cameras: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/10/09 2:35 PM
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Post 61 of 222

Differences between point-and-shoot and DSLR......

by kLevkoff - 3/20/09 7:33 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

That's an interesting question, and the answer has changed in recent years. The two main things that separate an SLR today from a point-and-shoot, besides the changeable lenses, are the viewfinder and the image sensor. The SLR viewfinder uses an optical view window that actually shows you what the lens sees. Some pros insist this is critical, but now the newest SLRs actually include the ability to do it the other way (called "live view") for those who prefer an LCD window. The other thing is that most SLRs have a larger image sensor, which means less image noise on low-light shots and sometimes a slightly smoother looking image. SLRs also tend to be heavier and larger, which is actually good when you're trying to hold the camera steady, but bad when your arm gets tired.

The changeable lenses are great, and let you get just what you need, including fixed lenses with really good low light capabilities for special situations - much better than that all-in-one zoom lens. The catch is that you have to buy those extra lenses, carry them around, and change them. So you need to decide if you're the kind of person who gets a new lens for Christmas, then carries it around in their camera bag, or if that sounds annoying. You won't gain much if you buy an SLR and then only one lens. Compacts today can have just as many megapixels as the SLRs - although that isn't really that important.

You can also get "converter" lenses that attach to many non-SLRs. They aren't as good as "real" lenses, but they do work pretty well, and are small and relatively cheap.

Many of the features that you probably miss now, like manual controls and such, are now available on the higher-end compacts.

It might be a good idea to decide what you really want and consider some alternatives. For the price of one decent lens, you could buy a second compact camera for different situations, maybe one of the new "super zooms" for wildlife shots. If you haven't already done so, buy a good flash and a tripod - they make a world of difference in some situations.

Some features you should look for include the ability to attach converter lenses (not all compacts can), a hot shoe on top for attaching an external flash (which many compacts LACK), and the ability to take RAW or TIF images (which are much better than JPGs if you plan to edit them on a computer). If you plan to get serious you want an external flash for indoor shots - nobody serious shoots with the onboard flash, even on the expensive cameras, except in emergencies.

I would definitely suggest trying the camera in person before making a decision, and adding up the entire package before making a commitment. (That SLR plus all the cool lenses you want might end up being over your budget.)

I have two SLRs, which I take out for important shots, and which work very well, but it's the point-and-shoot compact that's usually in my pocket when I go out - because the SLR doesn't FIT in my pocket.

You should definitely check out a web site called www.dpreview.com for very insightful reviews of LOTS OF both compacts and DSLRs.

You might also consider a reconditioned camera if you're budget conscious. Nikon "factory showroom refurbs" can sometimes be had for near half price, and come with a new warranty... depending on how you feel about refurbs.

For a good starter DSLR I suggest you look at a Nikon D60 or a D40x.

[Another thing to remember with SLRs is that the lenses usually only interchange between models from the same manufacturer so, once you buy a Nikon (or a Canon) and a few lenses, you tend to be committed to that manufacturer in the future. After all, it would be silly to buy a new camera that can't use those valuable lenses you already have. ]

Post 62 of 222

Depends on budget, usage and intention

by Osiris43 - 3/20/09 7:56 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

SLR cameras are much like razors. The bodies are (relatively) cheap and quality lenses, filters and attachments can be VERY expensive.
On the positive side, SLRs will provide more options than compacts. With practice, SLRs may provide better results although some of the "better" features may be apparent only to very discriminating photographers.
On the negative side, SLRs are larger and heavier as well. You may need to switch out lenses and other accessories based on when and what you intend to photograph. You'll need a bag (or bags!) to carry all those attachments, which can be a real hassle when traveling, hiking and such. An SLR will probably have an expensive rechargeable battery and when it's dead, you can't just buy a new pre-charged replacement. SLRs tend to be more fragile than compacts. An SLR with a bunch of accessories may represent such a substantial investment that you'd worry about it being damaged, lost or stolen.

Compacts can take excellent pictures in a variety of conditions and picture quality can rival some SLRs - without having to spend ages learning how to use it properly. Compacts don't require a bunch of expensive accessories to get results. They're smaller, lighter and easier to carry around. Many use common batteries that can be purchased nearly anywhere. They're generally more rugged than SLRs. Since compacts are less expensive than SLRs, you won't be as worried about damage, loss or theft.
The disadvantages are pretty minimal except for professional photographers. Compacts have fixed abilities...you can't swap out a lens to get a more powerful zoom, focal length range will be limited and you probably won't have much manual control. You won't be able to use special lenses and filters to create special effects (but you can probably create most of those with Photoshop or similar software after the fact).

A final point: If you're going to use your camera in automatic mode most of the time, what's the point of having an SLR?

Post 63 of 222

Birds and Macro

by onemoremile - 3/20/09 8:04 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Cecelia:
You say that you want a higher quality camera and that you like to take both macro shots and bird shots. These are two very different kinds of shots! I would recommend that you save up and get a digital SLR for several reasons:

1. You can purchase a variety of lenses, such as a telephoto for bird shots and a macro lens for your close-ups. The proper lens will make the camera perform well for whatever kind of shooting you are doing.
2. When shooting macro, you will be able to look through the viewfinder and see exactly what your lens sees. Even on a bright, sunny day, you will be able to get a good view. The LCD screen on a compact digital camera could wash out in the sun and the viewfinder will not give you accurate framing at close distances.
3. The shutter lag time is much faster on a digital SLR as compared with a compact camera. If a bird is flying through the air, you will not want to wait half of a second after pressing the shutter release for the compact digital camera's shutter to fire. The SLR will shoot much more quickly, especially if you pre-focus by pushing the shutter button halfway down.
4. Most Digital SLRs will produce RAW files and most compact digital cameras will not. A RAW file will capture more information and will allow you to do more with software to improve a picture.

As for the SLR brand, Canon, Sony and Nikon both build wonderful cameras and lenses. Pentax has just launched an economically-priced SLR that can use a great many Pentax lenses. It is really hard to go wrong with any of the big name brands.

I am sure that you will have a lot of fun with whatever you choose!
Dave

Post 64 of 222

A Camera Grade to Match Your Needs and Skill

by Greg Morgan - 3/20/09 8:47 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Digital cameras come in grades from the simplest point and shoot $100 to the $30,000 medium format 50 megapixle giants. Only the casual snap-shotter who feels that the cam-phone is inadequate should buy the former; only a very serious amateur with lots of spare hobby cash needs think of the latter.

Some of my best pictures were taken with a Sony 3.5MP -through a combination of fortunate location, lighting and timing. Those pictures will not stand a large amount of enlargement; but currently every camera of that type uses an eight MP or larger chip, so reasonable enlargement is not a question. Still, the lack of ability to chose selective focusing, multiple aperture and shutter combinations and attain very fast or very fine resolution through interchangeable lenses will limit your options.

My current digital is a Canon Digital Rebel. I've taken pictures that rival or exceed the best I ever got with the Sony. But I've done so more consistently, and under conditions that pushing the shutter button on the Sony would have resulted in trash. With a Canon EF 75-300mm f4.0-5.6 I can fill the frame with a Cardinal from 15 feet with good resolution, at 1/500 and apertures north of f/8 at ISO 400 in bright sun. Better lenses are available to achieve success under wider brightness levels.

I shoot at the interested amateur level. If I were to become more active I would certainly seek out better lenses. But this is correct for my price and needs, which ultimately determines everyones choice.

One thing I will suggest is this: if you feel you are interested; if you have taken pictures and looked at them critically and feel that they fall short in technical quality, but are satisfied with your composition, you should invest in a SLR with a good quality--buy more camera than you need ang grow into it. Get a fast (f/2 or better) general purpose lens (say 18-50 or 70mm zoom) and a good zoom that picks up at the long end of the gp lens and goes out to 300 or 400 mm. Pick a faster 300mm tele over a slower 400mm if price is a factor. As you become familiar with the camera, save for better lenses: a good, fast macro; maybe a 600mm to catch those skittish Gold Finches, or get full face profiles of a Black Cap Chickadee. If you buy to fit your needs you will rapidly outgrow your camera, and with camera advances coming as fast as they do, a two year old camera's worth is nil. Spend a little more to take you into the future. Adding better lenses to a still-good body is cheaper than replacing a non-SLR in its entirety.

Post 65 of 222

Depends, but for you SLR sounds better

by zsuprise - 3/20/09 8:53 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Since you're talking about such high zooms I would not even consider a compact digital.

1) I'm assuming you know that the "digital zoom" is the equivalent of just holding a picture closer to your face. You should only consider the optical zoom numbers. With that out of the way...

2) SLR with interchangeable lens bodies will offer you far more flexibility in zooms than a compact digital.

3) This cannot be stressed enough: At high zooms the slightest motion can ruin a great picture, even with the processing of a high end camera. A tripod and remote shutter button can eliminate that, but if you're taking shots of moving subjects, like your birds, your shots will be much steadier with the weight, larger body and two handed control of an SLR.

Hope this helps!

Post 66 of 222

Photography can be expensive

by aprince99 - 3/20/09 9:01 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

The camera you choose depends on what you want to do, what you can afford and your future plans. I would say that the salesman gave you bad advice in one respect - a moderately priced macro lens will probably be little better than the lens in the point and shoot camera(depending on how you define moderately priced). This doesn't mean that you have to spend a fortune for a macro lens, but macros's are not cheap - canon makes 10, the cheapest is @$250, the most popular around $500. Plus if you go with a dslr you will want additional lenses. Probably a tele zoom for the birds and a wide angle to "normal" zoom for people and sceenery. This is a minimal set up. Decent zoom lenses for canon run in the hundreds of dollars. Add this to the cost of the body and macro lens and you're getting expensive. The benefit of the dslr is expandability - you don't have to buy everything at once so you can budget your purchases over time. The disadvantage of the dslr is the amount of equipment you end up dragging around and the cost. Instead of a camera that fits in a pocket or small case you end up with a fairly large and heavy case or backpack. Personally I got discouraged years ago with my first few digital point and shoot digital cameras and went to a dslr about three years ago and love it. My original lenses were a canon 70-300 zoom, a 24mm wide angle and a 50mm standard lens. For macro (which I don't do often) I use the wide angle or extension tubes. For birds, sports, etc.. I added a 500 mm lens. Then there's Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom for "developing". The cost has now run into the thousands, but its my hobby and I love it and I love the results.
I suggest reading lots of reviews before purchasing a camera body or lenses. Good places for reviews are all over the internet. Plus there are magazines. Also dealers such as B&H post reviews submitted by customers on their web site. Don't underestimate the importance of these reviews by users such as yourself.
The final decision is yours, If your interested in casual photography I think you'll be ok with a good point and shoot - I'd go for at least 10mp. If you're only displaying the pictures on screen at 72dpi or never intend making prints large than 8x10, 10 mp is more than enough. If you think you're really going to get into photograpy and want the best pictures you can get - get a dslr and one good lens - the best you can afford. If you do go with the dslr you might want to consider a used camera - for the same money as a new camera you can probably go up a few steps in quality and most reliable dealers will offer some sort of warranty on used equipment. Also watch for sales or discontinued models to save money. Plan for the future, buy the best you can afford and add to your resources as money permits and necessity dictates.

Post 67 of 222

DSLRs better than compact in many ways

by DigitalKen - 3/20/09 10:36 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I got my first camera at age 11 in 1938 by selling magazines & have been a writer, photojournalist & photographer for over 60 years. I now do a seminar titled "Digital Photography for Non-Nerds" and cover this subject in detail. First, all megapixels are not created equal! The smaller size of compacts means less room for sensors. And while even some of the smallest compacts are now sporting 10- and 12-megapixel ratings, they have much smaller sensors than my older 20D Canon, which has a much larger sensor,and will not take photos that are as sharp.

Cramming 10- or 12-megapixels into the limited space compact digitals provide means pixels are smaller and are packed in very tightly, which creates a lot of heat - which, in turn, creates noise (what I call "visual static"). Noise is characterized by random speckles or color artifacts, something like the graininess we saw in film. Small sensors also mean reduced dynamic range.

Telephoto lens of many compacts are often misrepresented. One advertised as "18X" may only have 4X optical zoom, the only measure that really counts. Lenses themselves usually are not as good as those available for SLRs (though many of the kit lenses bundled with D-SLRs are not the greatest either).

My advice, if your budget is limited, is to look for something akin to the Canon Rebel XT or Nikon D40, which are now available for not a whole lot more than top-end compacts. And be sure to get one that supports RAW images; they are a huge step up from JPEGs.

Ken Fermoyle
aka "Grandpa Moses of the Cyber Age"

Post 68 of 222

Compact vs. SLR

by eritott - 3/20/09 11:45 PM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi Cecilia,
Your camera salesman is absolutely right. I'm using a Nikon D70 with a Macro lens and 2 zoom lenses.
It is not only the M-pixels that counts, but rather the lens(system) if you want to get real sharp pictures. Secondly, if you're about to take pictures of birds, or other moving objects, a very essential thing is the "ready-time", the time from when you switch on the camera till the camera is ready to take a picture. This time should be about some milliseconds only. This feature cannot yet be obtained in compact cameras. Also the possibility to take some 3 - 6 pictures per second is a needed function. That means that the camera should have a function for "intermedeate storage" and also enough battery capacity.
I did some saving too and went from a compact Nikon to the D70, and I must say that I've been very happy with it.
Regards, eritott

Post 69 of 222

Digital Compact or Digital SLR - Which to buy?

by Ben Croft - 3/21/09 12:52 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Cecelia, buy one of each then you can't go wrong! Use the Compact for your macro shots and messing about, the SLR for serious non-macro stuff.

Post 70 of 222

Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera?

by Fatboy71 - 3/21/09 1:26 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I had debated this question when I got a new camera back in November last year.

But has I do a lot of walking, I thought the idea of having to carry a DSLR and all the lenses that I would need to take all the shot types that I take, was maybe not the best thing for me, I feared that with the extra bulk and weight of the DSLR and lenses that I would end up leaving it at home a lot of the time.

So in the end I decided on the Panasonic DMC-FZ28, the FZ28 is a superzoom but it is not a DSLR. The FZ28 has a superb Leica 18x zoom lens, this is a superb lens and the pictures are has you would expect with Leica, pin sharp, I never have to do any post picture editing with the FZ28, whereas with any other digital camera I have owned I have needed to do some post picture editing.

Another thing that you have got to consider with a DSLR is that you may come across one of those photo opportunities that is only going to be there for a matter of seconds. So if you had a DSLR, by the time you got it out changed the lens (as you can guarantee its sods law you would have the wrong lens attached) the photo opportunity could have gone. Whereas with a superzoom, its just a matter of getting it out, zooming to the desired amount and then taking the shot, this is going to be a lot quicker and you would be in a position where you potentially would be able to campture more of those photo opportunity scenarios over a DSLR. I will admit that for out and out image quality a DSLR might win, but with a quality superzoom there is not much difference at all now, also a superzoom will be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a DSLR and the lenses.

I know a few of the guys I walk with got fed up with having to carry the DSLR and all the lenses with them, and in the end they sold their DSLR & lenses and bought a superzoom, three of the guys got the Panasonic DMC-FZ28 after seeing what it could do, the relatively ease of use and the quality of the results.

With other cameras I have owned in the past, some have been good at taking a particular type of shot, but only average with other picture types, but the FZ28 is superb with all the picture types I take, macro shots are superb, zoom shots are superb, the flash is superb. Also the IA (Intelligent auto) feature on the FZ28 is the best totally automatic mode I have used on any camera, this is excellent when you need to take a shot in a hurry, and the vast amount of time it gets the picture spot on. Another good thing with the FZ28 is that there are manual modes, so you are able to use these to get more creative shots, so IMO you have the best of both worlds with the manual controls, as you have the use of the manual controls which at one time were just found on DSLR.

I will provide some links below, some are to some pictures I have taken with the FZ28 on my picture sharing site and one is for a review I wrote on the FZ28. I just thought you may find them useful.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157608875511203/detail/?page=11

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157608875511203/detail/?page=10

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157610250434667/detail/

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_FZ28EB_K__Review_5802342#fullreview

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Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera?

by Fatboy71 - 3/22/09 1:42 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Fatboy71

Has you may have read from my earlier post, I own a Panasonic DMC-FZ28 18x superzoom, this is not a DSLR I will add.

Now arguable the FZ28 is one of the best superzoom (relatively compact) camera's around.

This is what I have found with the FZ28:

I have noticed no difference in image sharpness from using the zoom from the lowest end and at its highest, the image remains has sharp IMO. Also when I am doing macro shots (and I do a lot of these) the image sharpness is still brilliantly clear, this is undoubtedly down to the quality of the superb Leica lens. IMO the FZ28 is a camera that tries to be the jack of all trades and masters them all, which is unusual, as I have always before found that most camera's would be excellent at one thing and not so good at others.

One of my friends who previously had a DSLR and kit (and he is a keen photographer) got rid of his DSLR kit as he was fed up with the weight and bulk and also was fed up with getting dust on the sensor when he changed lenses. His words were when he sold his DSLR kit and got the Panasonic FZ28:

"I can get a more powerful zoom, a lot smaller camera to carry around (he can now carry his camera in his ruck sack with the rest of his items he needs for his walk), and with the Leica lens on the FZ28, I am getting has near has makes no difference or that I can tell the difference between, the same image quality has the DSLR".

I will provide some links below to some picture sets that I have taken with my Panasonic DMC-FZ28. Basically the image quality you will see from my pictures will give you an idea has to how good the Panasonic DMC-FZ28 is. Basically the picture quality you will see will give you an idea has to what image quality you could possible get from a superzoom compact, as the FZ28 is arguable one of if not the best of the bunch of the superzoom.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157608875511203/detail/?page=11

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157608875511203/detail/?page=10

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oncefatbastardnotnow/sets/72157610250434667/detail/

Post 72 of 222

FZ28k screen

by pinaklonkar - 7/9/09 8:49 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Fatboy71

I agree with your opinions about FZ28k. The only thing that this camera lacks to becoming a jack of all trades and master of all is the twist and tilt screen.

If you have used Canons, you will know what I am talking about. I am planning to buy either Canon SX10IS or SX1IS just because of the screen motion.

Do you think it is a good reason to switch away from Panasonic? Do you ever feel the need for a moving screen?

Thanks.

Post 73 of 222

Panasonic viewfinders

by nlior - 4/11/09 5:06 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Fatboy71

I owned a couple of Panasonic compact digital cameras and loved their large zoom, but the electronic viewfinder washes out in sunny conditions so yo can't see what you are shooting, and they don't have an optical one, which is stupid. I would no longer buy a camera that does not have an optical viewfinder in addition to the electronic one, unless they can develop an electronic one that doesn't wash out.

Post 74 of 222

Digital Compact v/s Digital SLR

by kathyt - 3/21/09 2:14 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

In reading your question, I think that you need more than a digital compact, although it is very useful. There is a big jump in quality between the two.
It is not long since I bought a pre-loved Canon digital SLR and both camera and lens quality is superb.

Post 75 of 222

Digital SLR

by dhbailey - 3/21/09 2:19 AM In reply to: Should I go with digital compact or a digital SLR camera? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Depending on what you want to do photographically, if it's anything other than quick snapshots of family, friends, and vacations, a digital SLR is the way to go, just as with film cameras.

SLR cameras allow for changing lenses so you can use the best lens for the situation and aren't trapped into using the same lens for every picture. Of course, that means that you either have to lug everything with you all the time, or know in advance which lenses you want for any situation and carry just what you'll need. I've found that in those situations, I've always wished I had something I had left at home, so I now carry everything with me.

If you want to do macro photography, there are wonderful lenses designed for that which you can buy for a digital SLR and get true macro photographs instead of the "mock" macro photographs which are all that are possible with the compact digital cameras. I do have one of those, in addition to my Canon 20D digital SLR, because there are times I don't want all that equipment with me and still want the ability to take some great pictures.

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